- From: John Boyer <JBoyer@PureEdge.com>
- Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:39:31 -0700
- To: "Gerald Bauer" <luxorxul@yahoo.ca>, <www-forms@w3.org>
- Cc: "Mark Seaborne" <mseaborne@origoservices.com>
Hi Gerald, I think your response below shows you have substituted "the W3C leading the web to its full potential" with "the W3C leading web browsers to their full potential." Given the number of W3C member companies that are NOT browser vendors, this seems curious. Why should the W3C only support the advancement of the software produced by only those few members? To me, this seems the opposite of the goal of leading the web to its full potential. The goal is to maximize software interoperability, maintainability and ease of design. In the case of XForms, these goals are accomplished by having the same XML syntax for the core processing model and data schema of XFDL forms, XHTML forms, VoiceXML forms, mobile forms, etc. Also, on the notion of polling, this is an activity that is usually done in a scientific manner, i.e. the target population is rigorously identified, determined to be sufficiently informed on the subject, and most importantly, randomly sampled (or completely sampled). The things you are running which you are calling polls do not have these properties. Therefore, it is a stretch to claim that they are a *good* way of finding out anything. Finally, regarding the relevance of XForms, there is not a feature of XForms that is not in PureEdge's XFDL, which we invented in the 90's because HTML forms simply weren't good enough to solve 'real' problems. Making XFDL a skin for XForms has been a simple matter of switching vocabularies to achieve the same effects (while continuing to allow the value-adds of XFDL shine through). Therefore, I think it would be fair to say that XForms draws some relevance from that of XFDL, which has an install base in the millions at enterprise-level sites, some of which are listed at http://www.pureedge.com/customers/ John Boyer, Ph.D. Senior Product Architect and Research Scientist PureEdge Solutions Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Gerald Bauer [mailto:luxorxul@yahoo.ca] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 6:40 AM To: www-forms@w3.org Cc: Mark Seaborne Subject: Re: WWW2004 XForms Talk Slides by Steven Pemberton Now Online Hello Mark, > How many browsers directly support Flash, or PDF for > example? Well, my point was that the W3C is supposed to bring together browser vendors/project and lead the web to its full potential. However, it looks like the W3C is increasingly irrelevant. If the W3C can't unite the browser vendors, who can? Why doesn't the W3C lobby harder? Why doesn't the W3C publish, for example, the roadmaps/positions of browser vendors such as Microsoft, Apple, Opera, Mozilla, etc? As everybody can see the secret backroom dealing is getting us nowhere and the rich internet for everyone will be lost. > Are web based polls the next big thing? Maybe we > should run a poll to find out. They surely help to find out how popular something is. And I'm sorry if you can't deal with the results that tell you that XForms is irrelevant. Why not put up your own poll and see if you come to a different conclusion. - Gerald ------------------- Gerald Bauer Open XUL Alliance - A Rich Internet For Everyone | http://xul.sourceforge.net ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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