- From: Gary Stewart <gary@deltagreen.co.uk>
- Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 11:04:52 +0100 (BST)
- To: www-forms@w3.org
On Tue, 6 Jul 2004, Gerald Bauer wrote: > > Hello, > > David Baron has written up a blog story titled "The > W3C" arguing that the W3C member companies have no > interest in a free and open web for all and instead > prefer W3C standards that push closed, controlled, > environments (where interoperability doesn't matter) > and where the W3C member companies can charge money > for the client offering. An interesting belief for an open standard. I was thinking about this about ten years ago, that if everyone wrote to the same standard then anyone can write a program to view your documents, the main thing that differencates between your product and the next is the quality and features of your product. People would then choose to pay for your product based on the strength of it compared to the competetors. Many of the W3C standards are quite new and companies that have been developing products are bound to be quicker to market than open source equivalents that are often done on peoples free time. Now using these on the web is a slightly different issue, web adoption is slower because any company wants to insure that anything they release works on anything their clients use, could you imagine the sales loss Amazon would have if they pumped XForms data to the client? So many standards that come out of the W3C aren't used directly on the web, using web browsers, and probably won't be for years. However an image can be created in SVG and then exported to PNG for the web (as much as it pains me) and server side XForms can speed up development time while still allowing current browsers to view a page. > David writes: > > SVG and XForms weren't even designed for the Web. > SVG was designed by graphic designers who wish the > fact that Web pages aren't printed on paper would go I'm blinded by this logic. That SVG is developed by graphic designers, yes, it's a vector based graphic language, so graphic designers are bound to have a say. Of course the benefit of using SVG that can scale well for vector based graphics, rather than writing that to a PNG which doesn't scale so well are significant. Want to annotate the graphic with text, can do, you can copy and paste that text from the SVG image, try that with your PNG. Given that vector images generally don't play a huge part in printed press world, where having a 10MB raster image doesn't effect the time it takes someone to read your book and that you are unlikely to scale something that was designed for A4 onto A3 Landscape then I wouldn't state that SVG is for the benefit of electronic viewing. The Adobe SVG browser plugin is free, so no money is to be made there, you could argue that it is hoped that it will increase the sales of Illustrator, but I could just as well use Sodipodi to create images. > arguments for XForms always seem to relate to > "intranet" forms (where companies can earn money), not > Web forms (where they can't earn nearly as much, since > they can't charge for clients). What? I'm looking into using XForms to use on an intranet, I'm not going to make money from it, I'm not even sure how I would, after all everyone on our intranet works here, unless I have a button that says "Click Here to Donate Your Salary to Me". An intranet is something your company has to keep staff informed, the reason I'm developing software for an internal system, is we can install plugins on the company's machines to view the form, we can't do that with the general public. One of the reason I went with XForms is that if someone doesn't want to use the XForms viewer that we have given them then they can choose their own. This also allows opening the forms from other devices such as PDAs. I don't think XForms is a particular good choice when it comes to trivial forms (but then they don't take much effort to write in either XForms or HTML Forms), however online forms are becoming more and more complex and on these complex forms that where XForms starts showing its strengths. Gary
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