RE: NetScape/IE

Kit Davies wrote:

<snip/>
One day (God willing!), mainstream browsers will 
support XForms, and the circle will be complete. 
Until that distant time, XForms could still be a 
vital standard for those working on multi-channel, 
multi-protocol applications. 
<snip/>

The good news is, the circle will be complete, 
without waiting until mainstream browsers will 
support XForms.

Let me explain, but first I have to take my hat 
as W3C XForms co-chair off for a second.

<with-no-W3C-hat-on>

Mozquito will launch "XML WebAccess 2.0" this
September. See attached whitepaper (PDF) for all
the product details.

If you install this software on your web server
*it is as if every browser supports XForms today*!

</with-no-W3C-hat-on>

- Sebastian


> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer [mailto:schnitz@mozquito.com] 
> Sent: 03 August 2001 11:18 
> To: Bjoern Hoehrmann; Jilani, Rashid 
> Cc: www-forms@w3.org 
> Subject: RE: NetScape/IE 
> 
> 
> I agree that Microsoft and Netscape are 
> unlikely to support XForms, but I very 
> strongly disagree with the disruptive 
> pseudo-quote "There is nothing called 
> XForms, it's just a draft...". 
> 
> Only because Microsoft and Netscape do not 
> support XForms, for whatever reasons, this 
> is no indication at all whether XForms is 
> a good idea, whether it solves an important 
> problem and thus whether it has a market we 
> will see products being offered for. 
> 
> Or the other way around: Even if Microsoft 
> and Netscape *would* support XForms, how 
> long would you think it would take until 
> XForms can be used, ie. at least 80% of all 
> browsers deployed out there have native 
> XForms support? 
> 
> It would take several years, and no-one here 
> is willing to wait until then, since XForms 
> is needed, and needed now. 
> 
> XSLT, for example, took off quite well 
> without Microsoft and Netscape ever 
> implementing it in the browser. So can we all 
> stop judging important standards and technologies 
> based on Microsoft's interests and strategies 
> for a moment? 
> 
> XForms is very similar to XSLT in the way that 
> XForms as a concept can be implemented as a 
> generic server-side transformation process, 
> transcoding XForms into whatever you want 
> and whatever the client can process. 
> 
> Since XForms is *very* flexible (Three parts: 
> Model, Data Instance and UI, whereas every 
> part in itself is flexible - use any arbitrary 
> XML instance for data, use any existent or 
> custom UI markup language for the UI, use a 
> small subset, or all of XML Schema as the basis 
> for the Model), we do not see a single 
> implementation of XForms, but various depending 
> on the specific needs. XForms is a highly 
> modular, application level W3C technology with 
> a million use cases, solving a simple problem 
> by giving XML a standard, bi-directional 
> Human-Computer-Interface framework other XML 
> applications can build upon. 
> 
> Because of that, several companies have already 
> customly implemented XForms in their software 
> projects, leveraging the full power of XForms 
> for them without having to wait for Microsoft 
> and Netscape. 
> 
> All the best, 
> 
> Sebastian 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: Bjoern Hoehrmann [mailto:derhoermi@gmx.net] 
> > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 4:13 AM 
> > To: Jilani, Rashid 
> > Cc: 'www-forms@w3.org' 
> > Subject: Re: NetScape/IE 
> > 
> > 
> > * Jilani, Rashid wrote: 
> > >Hi: Can any one inform me what are the stand of NetSacpe and 
> > IE on XForms. 
> > >Are they planning to support it for their nexr future release? 
> > 
> > My personal opinion is that this is __very__ unlikely, especially 
> > because Microsoft hasn't announced XForms support [1] for IE 6 and 
> > Netscape will release NN6.1 very soon. 
> > 
> > [1] There is nothing called XForms, it's just a draft... 
> > -- 
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> > 
> > 
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