- From: T. V. Raman <tvraman@almaden.ibm.com>
- Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:47:43 -0700
- To: "Michael Earls" <michael@cerkit.com>
- Cc: "'Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer'" <schnitz@mozquito.com>, "Www-Forms \(E-mail\)" <www-forms@w3.org>
no offence was clearly intended --and none taken.
>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Earls <michael@cerkit.com> writes:
Michael> My sincere apologies to the group at large and
Michael> to the hard-working volunteers of this working
Michael> group. My comment about 10 years was an
Michael> attempt at humor... a failed one. As I have
Michael> said earlier, the efforts of this working group
Michael> are an inspiration to me. I read everything
Michael> published by each of you concerning XForms. I
Michael> look to this working group as a bright light
Michael> that is a guide to our collective future.
Michael> This "joke" was referring to the ancient ways
Michael> of some big (and small) businesses that choose
Michael> to wait until a technology has been around for
Michael> 5 to 10 years before using it. It was not
Michael> intended to be the blanket statement that it
Michael> appeared to be.
Michael> I am anxious to implement XForms in my systems
Michael> to replace the outdated HTML forms as soon as
Michael> possible. I launched a research project at the
Michael> shop today to gather information concerning any
Michael> Java Applet XForms UAs that might be out there.
Michael> We have a server-side Web forms processor based
Michael> on the current XForms working draft in
Michael> production now and it has proven to be very
Michael> valuable.
Michael> I am definitely secure in the belief that you
Michael> are all contributing in a positive fashion to
Michael> our industry.
Michael> Once again, I apologize for the sharp tongue.
Michael> Thank you again for your hard work and
Michael> exceptional efforts.
Michael> Respectfully yours,
Michael> Michael Earls
Michael> -----Original Message----- From:
Michael> www-forms-request@w3.org
Michael> [mailto:www-forms-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of
Michael> Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Sent: Tuesday, April
Michael> 10, 2001 2:07 PM To: Michael Earls Cc:
Michael> www-forms@w3.org Subject: RE: "The special
Michael> people" - was: www 10 conference (off-topic)
Michael> <snip>...</snip> Let's finish up XForms and
Michael> watch as it takes 10 years to get rid of all of
Michael> the User Agents we have today in exchange for
Michael> the "new" XForms UA. <snip>...</snip>
Michael> I'm taking my hat as XForms co-chair off,
Michael> because based on this one sentence I must tell
Michael> *you* to relax here. I have nothing about the
Michael> rest of the email, but such a statement let's
Michael> me and the other people think what we are doing
Michael> here is completely worthless. I think such a
Michael> statement is completely counterproductive, it
Michael> is thinking of the type that everything is at
Michael> it is and you cannot change things so you
Michael> shouldn't even try to do so. I'm not sure out
Michael> of which camp you're coming from, but if more
Michael> people would think like you, XML and even the
Michael> Web itself would have never taken off in the
Michael> first place.
Michael> Let me tell you that there will be a myriad
Michael> ways for XForms to penetrate the market. The
Michael> old Netscape/Microsoft desktop browser web
Michael> world is long gone, we have a bunch of new
Michael> devices, markets and players, all to which
Michael> XForms is targetted towards. XForms is *not*
Michael> something purely intended for Netscape and
Michael> Microsoft to adopt, but the next generation of
Michael> web forms for *all* XML-based applications, the
Michael> basis of all interactivity and business on the
Michael> web, and the first major improvement to web
Michael> forms since 1993! This thing will take off big
Michael> time, it has already.
Michael> - Sebastian
Michael> There's a lot of work to be done to spend so
Michael> much time arguing over elitist attitudes about
Michael> colored paper and special glasses.
Michael> My .02.
Michael> Michael Earls
Michael> -----Original Message----- From:
Michael> www-forms-request@w3.org [
Michael> mailto:www-forms-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of
Michael> T. V. Raman Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 10:02
Michael> AM To: Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer Cc: Andrea
Michael> Marchetti; www-forms@w3.org;
Michael> steven.pemberton@cwi.nl Subject: RE: www 10
Michael> conference
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Michael> "Sebastian Schnitzenbaumer"
Michael> <schnitz@mozquito.com> To: "Andrea Marchetti"
Michael> <Andrea.Marchetti@iat.cnr.it>,
Michael> <www-forms@w3.org>, <steven.pemberton@cwi.nl>
Michael> Subject: RE: www 10 conference Date: Mon, 9 Apr
Michael> 2001 18:49:26 +0200
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Michael> -- Best Regards, --raman
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