- From: Bruce Williams <brucewil@pacbell.net>
- Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:11:26 -0700
- To: www-forms@w3.org
As a point of fact, in the legal area "court forms" may have to have "graphical integrity" to be used. To get a feel for it, a good group may be found at http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/forms/ Best Wishes, Bruce Williams > -----Original Message----- > From: www-forms-request@w3.org [mailto:www-forms-request@w3.org]On > Behalf Of Price, Kathryn > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 10:10 AM > To: 'Rob McDougall'; www-forms@w3.org > Subject: RE: AW: XForms-processor as applet > > > I agree that there are numerous variables to consider in electronic forms > design. However, to contemplate "graphical integrity" (i.e. how accurately > the electronic form prints compared to a paper original)or user preferences > in considering development of an internet standard is absurd. The focus > needs to stay on developing and transporting accurate, valid form data. > "Repurposing" of information should be handled by other applications. This > will be facilitated by a robust non-proprietary format for data. > -Kathryn Price > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob McDougall [mailto:RMcDouga@JetForm.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 11:08 AM > To: www-forms@w3.org > Subject: RE: AW: XForms-processor as applet > > > Aha, now we have hit upon one of the most common arguments in the forms > world. Should the form be immutable in all presentations or should it be > altered to best utilize the medium it's presented through? The > (unfortunate) answer is that it varies from form to form and application to > application. There is no one right answer. > > In adhoc workflow forms, the presentation of the form is less important than > ease of use. This is very analogous to the way HTML works. You typically > want the form to take advantage of whatever screen real estate is available > and you probably want to allow the user alter the look of the form to suit > their individual needs/tastes (increasing font size, etc.). > > In legal forms, the presentation of the form is more important than ease of > use. You typically want the text presented in a certain fixed and > determinate manner. This is analogous to the way PDF works. You make the > medium (i.e. the screen) conform to the way you want the form presented. > > Then, there's all the in-between cases. Maybe you've got a bunch of legal > text and you don't really care how it's presented as long as it's legible > (size < 6pts) and text appears on the same page as the signature (to ensure > the signer has read it). There's an innumerable number of in between cases > that run the gamut from "form can only change a little in this one specific > way" to "the form can do whatever it wants except that this one thing must > be true". > > For V1.0 we are assuming that the user will have access to XHTML + CSS2 and > we will be incrementally improving these in the context of forms. We won't > be tackling the printing of perfect paper forms until later (as is stated in > the "Future Considerations" of the XForms Requirements Document). > > Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: Neil Walker [mailto:neil.walker@mrc-bsu.cam.ac.uk] > Sent: June 14, 2000 6:15 AM > To: www-forms@w3.org; ashutosh.galande@tatainfotech.com > Subject: Re: AW: XForms-processor as applet > > > > It would be highly beneficial to have a perfect rendering engine > > (independent of a browser) that will felicitate coexisting of > > pre-printed paper forms and client-printed paper forms (printed from > > within the browser etc). I feel it should be possible to print a form > > from within a browser that looks exactly the same as its paper based > > counterpart and a plugin based approach is better in this regard. > > Agreed a perfect rendering engine would be a Good Thing, I feel > technology should be used appropriately. On paper, I might say "please > circle the answer that best applies", while on a web form I might use a > checkbutton or pull-down list, and on a fax-back form a tickbox. > > Like most of us on this list I'm working on a forms generator, and my > view on this is that there could be an extra button marked "Print" to > print out either a pre-prepared paper form, or something suitable > generated on the fly from the XML. The question then becomes, whether > XForms is required AT ALL, or whether we go straight for > HTML4+Javascript generation from a yet higher level metadata standard. > > Yours > Neil Walker > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Neil Walker tel: +44 (0) 1223 330379 > MRC Biostatistics Unit fax: +44 (0) 1223 330388 > Cambridge, UK email: neil.walker@mrc-bsu.cam.ac.uk > web: http://www.mrc-bsu.cam.ac.uk > -------------------------------------------------------------------- >
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