- From: David Landwehr <david.landwehr@solidapp.com>
- Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 11:23:11 +0200
- To: "Klotz, Leigh" <Leigh.Klotz@xerox.com>
- Cc: Steven Pemberton <steven.pemberton@cwi.nl>, www-forms-editor@w3.org
Hi All, I just want to say that I hope you will change the resolution found in [1] to one where there is only one type on a node. I have never thought that there was a problem with that the equivalence statement. I like that sentence because it uses all the inheritance rules from XML Schema and validation requirements by using that single word "equivalent". Best regards, David Klotz, Leigh wrote: > Steven, > Thank you for your response to this issue. > > My concern is that there are two independent sources of type > information, and that the effects of these two sources under XForms 1.0 > and XForms Basic 1.0 might be different, depending on how conflicts are > handled in XForms 1.0 full conformance. I gave a use case where an > XForms 1.0 Basic author might consider authoring a form that would work > properly in XForms Basic but not in XForms full conformance. > > It may be that the existing recommendation wording about xsi:type > equivalence is sufficient, and I would like to hear from the Working > Group about why it is not. > > Unfortunately, the proposed resolution does not address my concern about > how to resolve the two sources of information; instead, it restates it > to say that there are two sources of information, and offers no > prescription for interoperability. Additionally, I am concerned that > the solution proposed (having two separate pools of type information) > makes XForms more difficult for authors, and am hopeful that there is a > better solution. > > Therefore, I must with reluctance say that this response does not > satisfy my comment. > > As you are aware, I rejoined the XForms Working Group on behalf of Xerox > recently, though I was not a representative at the time the comment was > filed. I look forward to working through this issue with the rest of > the Working Group and hope for resolution to my comment at the next > Face-to-Face meeting. > > Sincerely, > Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. > Xerox Corporation > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Pemberton [mailto:steven.pemberton@cwi.nl] > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 7:26 AM > To: Klotz, Leigh; 'www-forms-editor@w3.org' > Subject: Re: Problem with XForms 1.0 Basic Profile document when used > with XFo rms Full processor > > Leigh, > > Thank you for your comment. > > The XForms WG discussed this issue[1] and resolved that the problem lay > > with the description of how types are bound to the data in XForms. They > > resolved to: > > "Issue an erratum for 6.1.1 Type property about how the type is bound to > > the data. It mustn't be done by equivalency to xsi:type attribute." > > If this reply satisfies your comment, please reply to this mail to that > > effect. > > Many thanks, > > Steven Pemberton > For the XForms WG > > [1] http://www.w3.org/2006/03/23-xforms-minutes#item02 > > On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:23:56 +0200, Klotz, Leigh > <Leigh.Klotz@pahv.xerox.com> wrote: > > >> In "3 Conformance", the XForms 1.0 Basic Profile CR [1] says >> XForms Basic Profile processors may implement a subset of an XML >> > Schema > >> processor >> [XML Schema part 1], [XML Schema part 2], requiring only what is >> necessary >> to process >> the attribute xsi:type on instance data for simpleTypes only and the >> > > >> type >> model >> item property for simpleTypes only. >> >> In "3.3.1 The model Element", the XForms 1.0 REC [2] says >> Optional list of xsd:anyURI links to XML Schema documents outside >> > this > >> model element. >> The XForms Processor must process all Schemas listed in this >> > attribute. > >> My understanding is that the Basic Profile changes this "must" to >> > either > >> a >> "must not" or perhaps a "should not" for XForms Basic. >> In any case, I assume that the schema attribute (and similarly, the >> embedded >> xsd:schema element) are allowed in documents processed by an XForms >> > Basic > >> processor, but are to be ignored. >> >> Now, consider the following case where an instance contains an element >> > > >> with >> a simple value (such as a decimal or a time) and a boolean attribute: >> >> <time precise="true">06:00:00</time> >> >> The goal of adding an attribute to an element of simple type content >> > is > >> common, and in fact the first qustion in a popular XML Schema FAQ [3] >> > > >> shows >> that it is in fact, a frequently-asked question. The cited FAQ then >> gives a >> complexType definition extending a simple type and adding an >> > attribute. > >> Here is a complete XForms Full example, using XML Schema, a sample >> instance >> document, and an XHTML 1 document with XForms controls, using the XML >> Schema. It relies on the XML Schema referred to from the model to >> > define > >> the type of the attribute as boolean, so that the XForms Processor may >> display it as a checkbox. >> >> XForms Basic does not interpret the schema attribute, but it does >> "process >> ... type model item property for simpleTypes only" so we can add >> <xf:bind ref="my:length/@my:precise" type="xsd:boolean" /> >> to the model, and both Full and Basic XForms Processors will display >> > the > >> attribute as a boolean (for example, as a checkbox in a graphical user >> interface). >> >> Note that the base type of the element, xsd:time, is also one that >> > XForms > >> processors may choose to use for display purposes, perhaps by showing >> > a > >> time >> chooser (see "8.1.2 The Input Element" [4]). So, the natural next >> > step > >> would be to bind that type to the node, as follows: >> <xf:bind ref="my:length" type="xsd:time" /> >> This will indeed work in XForms Basic, because it will process the >> > type > >> model item property, and xsd:time is an XML Schema simpleType and is >> > in > >> the >> list of types to be processed by XForms Basic. >> >> Unfortunately, XForms Full processors have already interpreted the XML >> Schema specified by the model schema attribute, and have a conflicting >> > > >> type. >> >> Therefore, I believe that it is difficult to create XForms Full >> > profile > >> documents that also work in XForms Basic, unless some subtyping >> allowances >> are introduced into the consistency checking performed by the type >> > model > >> item property. >> >> Leigh. >> >> -------------------precision.xml--------------------- >> <?xml version="1.0" ?> >> <data xmlns="http://www.example.com"> >> <time precise="true">06:00:00</time> >> </data> >> ---------------------precision.xsd----------------------- >> <?xml version="1.0" ?> >> <xsd:schema xmlns:my="http://www.example.com" >> targetNamespace="http://www.example.com" >> xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" >> elementFormDefault="qualified"> >> <xsd:element name="data"> >> <xsd:complexType> >> <xsd:sequence> >> <xsd:element ref="my:time" /> >> </xsd:sequence> >> </xsd:complexType> >> </xsd:element> >> <xsd:element name="time" type="my:preciseTime"/> >> <xsd:complexType name="preciseTime"> >> <xsd:simpleContent> >> <xsd:extension base="xsd:time"> >> <xsd:attribute name="precise" type="xsd:boolean" >> > use="required"/> > >> </xsd:extension> >> </xsd:simpleContent> >> </xsd:complexType> >> </xsd:schema> >> >> ---------------------precision.xhtml--------------------- >> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1" ?> >> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" >> xmlns:xf="http://www.w3.org/2002/xforms" >> xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" >> xmlns:my="http://www.example.com"> >> <head> >> <title>XForms Samples</title> >> <xf:model schema="precision.xsd"> >> <xf:instance src="precision.xml" /> >> <xf:bind nodeset="my:time" type="xsd:time" /> >> <xf:bind nodeset="my:time/@my:precise" type="xsd:boolean" /> >> </xf:model> >> </head> >> <body> >> <h1>Precision</h1> >> <xf:group> >> <xf:input ref="my:time"><xf:label>Time</xf:label></xf:input> >> <xf:input >> ref="my:time/@my:precise"><xf:label>Precise?</xf:label></xf:input> >> </xf:group> >> </body> >> </html> >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/CR-xforms-basic-20031014/#id2606183 >> [2] >> >> > http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/REC-xforms-20031014/index-all.html#structure-m > odel > >> [3] http://www.mathling.com/xsd/ >> [4] >> > http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/REC-xforms-20031014/index-all.html#ui-input > >> > > > > -- -------------------------------------------- David Landwehr (david.landwehr@solidapp.com) Chief Executive Officer, SolidApp Web: http://www.solidapp.com Office: +45 48268212 Mobile: +45 24275518 --------------------------------------------
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