- From: Cedric Kiss <cedric@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 17:04:10 +0100
- To: www-di@w3.org
Hi all,
Minutes of the DIWG weekly conference are here:
http://www.w3.org/2006/03/15-diwg-minutes.html
Attached as text for your convenience:
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W3C
DIWG teleconference
15 Mar 2006
See also: IRC log
Attendees
Present
Rotan, Max, Cedric, Sailesh
Regrets
Rhys, Kevin
Chair
maxf
Scribe
cedric
Contents
* Topics
1. Publication of the DCO document as a WD
2. Access functions for DISelect
* Summary of Action Items
Publication of the DCO document as a WD
maxf: keep it a note or send it to WD b/c we expect to change it many times?
... a Note is a document that's not expected to change any more
... a WD can become a Rec or a Note
... (a Note doesn't need to be implemented)
Rotan: are we going to make statements how often the DI group is going
to update the document?
maxf: I think we'll have to show some kind of roadmap
<Rotan> See this in status: "There are currently no plans to amend this
document further."
sailesh: maybe we can add information when something significant happens
in the field of DI
Rotan: I suggest that we change the statement in the Status of the DCO
document
all: we agree to publish the DCO document as a working draft.
<sailesh> The document will be updated when new technologies related to
the document context emerges or matures
Access functions for DISelect
maxf: we discussed on the mailing list...
Rotan: I have concerns here. Everything that we do should be in line
with CSS media queries
... we seem to be moving toward incorporating more and more functions.
Maybe all this should rather be extensions
... I'm not sure what philosophy we chose here
maxf: I don't think we're trying to extend the CSS media queries
... the real question is whether we want to have all CSS MQ functions
Rotan: if CSS MQ is referring to a static info we should assume that the
value is also static. Same for dynamic
... Our definition has to be tied closely to the definition of CSS MQ
maxf: CSS doesn't really need to know if the property is static or not
(work made inside the browser); unlike DISelect
Rotan: if you resize the window, the browser reflows but does *not*
select another stylesheet
... all this happens when the document onLoad occurs
maxf: when the window is resized, I would expect the style to be
reinterpreted
Rotan: the display area is the viewPort Bert talked about
<scribe> ACTION: Max to contact the CSS group regarding the
interpretation of media query functions [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2006/03/15-diwg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-163 - Contact the CSS group regarding the
interpretation of media query functions [on Max Froumentin - due
2006-03-22].
Rotan: the physical display width is static; the viewPort (usable
display) is dynamic
... it's the display minus the scrollbars, the chrome, etc.
... typically you'll want elements not to overlap with the scrollbars
... because any other interpretations won't be useful
maxf: according to what the CSS group is going to respond, it won't
change the definition of the function but may change the way we
implement it (static//dynamic)
Rotan: in some browsers the chrome component can also be styled; we have
to take that into accound
... that's a paradox situation: I can use a stylesheet depending on the
width, but the stylesheet can change the width (since the scrollbar can
be resized)
... not sure how we would resolve that.
maxf: we're beyond this specification?
Rotan: not sure; that would be an useful piece of information
... but we would maybe have paradoxes in the style
... maybe we could define the expected processing behaviour
... then the technologies in DISelect should mimic this behaviour
maxf: my implementation was expected to do the adaptation part on the server
... so the server should know what the viewport is
Rotan: adaptation is always a "best effort" process
... with the best available info
... but the server may be relying on information stored in the repository
... it's not always going to be perfect; it's driven by different data
maxf: should we include that statement in the spec
Rotan: we'll have to express that the delivery context might not be
perfectly replicated across different channels
... otherwise expectations of people will be that the end result of the
presentation will be exactly the same. I think that's impossible
maxf: I think that's the point of the "default argument"
Rotan: the description says either you know the exact info, or you know
nothing
... but in some circumstances you'll be looking up info somewhere else
... where the information is not perfect.
<scribe> ACTION: Rotan to add some text to say that you might use
alternative sources of information which reliability you don't know
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/15-diwg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-164 - Add some text to say that you might use
alternative sources of information which reliability you don\'t know [on
Rotan Hanrahan - due 2006-03-22].
maxf: does that conclude our discussion?
Rotan: OK
maxf: we might be able to wrap up
... it's only me who has open actions
... let's adjourn
... regrets for next week
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Max to contact the CSS group regarding the interpretation
of media query functions [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2006/03/15-diwg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Rotan to add some text to say that you might use
alternative sources of information which reliability you don't know
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/03/15-diwg-minutes.html#action02]
[End of minutes]
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BR, Cedric
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