- From: Steven Pemberton <steven.pemberton@cwi.nl>
- Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 14:35:48 +0200
- To: "Jim Ley" <jim@jibbering.com>, <www-annotation@w3.org>, "HTML WG" <w3c-html-wg@w3.org>
From: "Jim Ley" <jim@jibbering.com> > > > Well of course you would, they're different documents! > > > > No, the same document, served with different media types. It is the > > same > > document, but the result of the media types means it gets parsed > > differently. > > Can you have an xhtml1.1 document that is served as text/html ? That is defined by RFC 2854. I believe you could manipulate an xhtml 1.1 document in a similar way to Appendix C of XHTML 1.0 (http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#guidelines) so that it would be acceptable to a UA that accepts text/html. It wouldn't be XHTML 1.1 to that UA of course, but it would still be an XHTML 1.1 document. (I'm not sure if this answers your question). > If not > the point is of somewhat historical interest as we're talking about a > subset of xhtml 1.0 documents are we not? Are we? I don't see the relevance of XHTML 1.1 here. > > > However if the Pointer is > > > xpointer(id('Moomin')) then it will happily point to the same element > > > within the Resource (assuming the resources are appropriately > > > authored and content negotiation on the document returned from the URI is > > > logical.) > > > > As I said, if the document has ids, the problem is solved. > > No it is not, by your argument > http://jibbering.example/example#xpointer(id('Moomin')) points to a > different fragment depending on whether the resource has an xhtml or html > mime-type. Aha. Apparently you misunderstood what I was trying to say. No. I didn't say that. Ignoring the problem of permissibility of using XPointer to point into HTML, the above would identify the same element. That was what I meant with "if the document has ids, the problem is solved." My point was about using child elements. http://jibbering.example/example#xpointer(id('Moomin'))/3/4/5 could identify different elements depending on the media type that the document was served with. This is because the same document has different parsings, dependent on the media type (text/html, or text/xml). So if you gave the above pointer to someone, what they would see would depend on the settings of their content negotiation parameters. > perhaps rather than > limit yourself to commenting on XPointer into HTML and the context of > TBODY you could comment on all the issues raised - those are the ones > that are actually concerning www-annotation and wai-er after all. XPointer into HTML and the context of TBODY was what I was asked to comment on, and I was fulfilling that request. Best wishes, Steven Pemberton
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