- From: Marja-Riitta Koivunen <marja@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 18:24:21 -0400
- To: Laurent Denoue <denoue@pal.xerox.com>, "'Kynn Bartlett'" <kynn@reef.com>
- Cc: "'www-annotation@w3.org'" <www-annotation@w3.org>
- Message-Id: <4.1.20010618144936.050589e0@127.0.0.1>
At 02:02 PM 6/15/01 -0700, Laurent Denoue wrote: >Kynn, >Annotea and other annotation systems are not specifically tailored to Web >authors and designers >but to people who read the pages. >And I don't see how Web designers and authors could prevent us (the readers) >to use such systems. I agree, these are for different groups of readers helping them to make comments on things that they read and helping them to communicate with other readers. Here is a sample scenario for Annotea readers, that hopefully explains some of the usage possibilities and how they relate to the fears of annotation technology. From my viewpoint the scenarios for Smart Tag technology are quite different. Set of readers may belong to a group A making standards. They create a new version of a standard X and start publishing their comments on that version as Annotea annotations on their annotation server. Group A has couple of dedicated editors who have write access, with annotation technology they can use the annotations made by others without giving everybody write access. Also the editors don't need to go through mail archives and try to attach the comments to right parts of the document. They can read the document and see comments right on the chapters or words that they are concentrating on their current editing efforts. So here annotations provide an easy user interface and I don't see why we should make the editing of the document harder by not allowing users to use the technology. This group also has a social process that freezes documents when new versions are published so they don't even have the problem of orphan annotations. Another group B also creates comments as annotations for the public version of the stardard X document somewhere on the Web. Now the group A has an option to ignore them by not reading their annotations from group B's annotation server, by specifically subcribing to the server to read them because they feel these annotations are good and help them in their job, or reading them but using filtering and various icons so that they know which annotations are made by group A and which annotations by group B. A bit later, someone who is angry with the editor from group A starts sending nasty annotations about the standard X to a special graffiti server that let's any users to annotate anything. Earlier this same user would have sent the nasty comments to some public discussion list, now they are nasty annotations. In both cases the reader can try to ignore them by not subscribing the mailing list or the graffiti server at all or subscribing it and using strong filtering with some users who send comments to the server or the mail list. So there are social processes involved also with this technology. Most of the readers of the standard X don't subscribe to the specific annotation servers mentioned above, they just look the document as is or may use their company local annotation servers where they discuss how the standard could be used in the context of their company. Marja > >In the paper world, the problem is less of importance, since only ONE reader >usually "destroys" >the layout of the author by highlighting and marking the pages. > >In the electronic word, you can get the marks left by other readers even >before you start your own annotations. >This can become a problem, greatly examplified by ThirdVoice (cluttered >annotations on Web pages). > >I believe annotation tools will be used, but readers might want to filter >annotations (like using specific >annotation servers: your classroom, your university, your company, your >research group...). > >Laurent. >[Author of the Yawas Web annotation system. By the way, try www.yawas.com: >I'm not hosting this web site, but fans of Maria Carey might like it ;) ]
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