- From: Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>
- Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 16:12:02 -0400
- To: "wai-xtech@w3.org" <wai-xtech@w3.org>
Link: www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-minutes.html
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
28 Jul 2015
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc
Attendees
Present
Joseph_Scheuhammer, Joanmarie_Diggs, Bryan_Garaventa,
Tzviya_Siegman, Cynthia_Shelly
Regrets
Chair
Joseph_Scheuhammer
Scribe
joanie
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Meeting for the next two weeks.
2. [5]ACTION-1680/ACTION-1686: (All) Assign actions for
mappings of aria-errormessage
3. [6]New: (All) Need actions for mappings of
aria-kbdshorcuts
4. [7]ACTION-1625: (Joseph, All) Update re:
aria-interactive property.
5. [8]ACTION-1660/ISSUE-714 (Joanie) ATK/AT-SPI mapping
of aria-roledescription.
6. [9]ACTION-1662/ISSUE-714 (Alex) IA2 mapping of
aria-roledescription.
7. [10]Bugzilla-28816 (All) Some ARIA roles lacking
explicit a11y API role mappings.
* [11]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 28 July 2015
<clown> agenda: this
<clown> agenda: this
<scribe> scribe: joanie
Meeting for the next two weeks.
JS: As of next week and the following week, I'm on vacation.
... Do people want to meet anyway?
BG: Nah.
JD: I can go either way.
BG: I can also go either way.
CS: I would be happy to have the time. I'll be out August 10th
through 23rd.
JS: I can hold the meeting on the 18th, but you won't be there.
... Can I leave it to you guys to work this out? Set up agenda
and room, etc.?
... Any volunteers?
BG: I'll pass.
JS: Otherwise I'll send an email cancelling the meeting.
... I'll do that. If you all decide otherwise, you can set that
up.
... I encourage you to look at your action items and do them,
also see what's overdue, etc.
ACTION-1680/ACTION-1686: (All) Assign actions for mappings of
aria-errormessage
<clown> action-1680?
<trackbot> action-1680 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Draft
aria-errormessage property for review - may be at risk in aria
1.1 though -- due 2015-07-16 -- CLOSED
<trackbot>
[12]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1680
[12] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1680
<clown>
[13]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#aria-error
message
[13] http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#aria-errormessage
JS: I had an action to draft the aria-errormessage text. It's
at the URL above.
... And it's tentatively accepted as part of the spec, though
it's still an editor's draft.
... Assuming it stays, we need to figure out how it's mapped.
... I'd like to create those actions right now.
<clown> ACTION: Cynthia to propose UIA mapping for
aria-errormessage. [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
[14] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1691 - Propose uia mapping for
aria-errormessage. [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2015-08-04].
<clown> action-1691?
<trackbot> action-1691 -- Cynthia Shelly to Propose uia mapping
for aria-errormessage. -- due 2015-08-04 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[15]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1691
[15] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1691
<clown> ACTION: joanie to propose ATK/AT-SPI mapping for
aria-errormessage [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
[16] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1692 - Propose atk/at-spi mapping for
aria-errormessage [on Joanmarie Diggs - due 2015-08-04].
<clown> action-1692?
<trackbot> action-1692 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Propose atk/at-spi
mapping for aria-errormessage -- due 2015-08-04 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[17]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1692
[17] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1692
<clown> ACTION: Surkhov to propose MSAA+IA2 mapping for
aria-errormessage [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
[18] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
<trackbot> Error finding 'Surkhov'. You can review and register
nicknames at <[19]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/users>.
[19] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/users
<clown> ACTION: Surkov to propose MSAA+IA2 mapping for
aria-errormessage [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
[20] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1693 - Propose msaa+ia2 mapping for
aria-errormessage [on Alexander Surkov - due 2015-08-04].
<clown> ACTION: JamesC to propose AXAPI mapping of
aria-errormessage [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
[21] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
<trackbot> Error finding 'JamesC'. You can review and register
nicknames at <[22]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/users>.
[22] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/users
<clown> ACTION: JamesCraig to propose AXAPI mapping of
aria-errormessage [recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
[23] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
<trackbot> Error finding 'JamesCraig'. You can review and
register nicknames at
<[24]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/users>.
[24] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/users
<clown> ACTION: James Craig to propose AXAPI mapping of
aria-errormessage [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
[25] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
<trackbot> 'James' is an ambiguous username. Please try a
different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g.,
jcraig, jhawkins2, jnurthen).
<clown> ACTION: jcraig to propose AXAPI mapping of
aria-errormessage [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
[26] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1694 - Propose axapi mapping of
aria-errormessage [on James Craig - due 2015-08-04].
New: (All) Need actions for mappings of aria-kbdshorcuts
JS: Similarly, we need actions for aria-kbdshortcuts.
<clown>
[27]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#aria-kbdsh
ortcuts
[27] http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#aria-kbdshortcuts
JS: URL for this property in the spec is above.
<clown> ACTION: Cynthia to propose UIA mapping for
aria-kbdshortcuts [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
[28] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1695 - Propose uia mapping for
aria-kbdshortcuts [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2015-08-04].
<clown> action-1695
<trackbot> action-1695 -- Cynthia Shelly to Propose uia mapping
for aria-kbdshortcuts -- due 2015-08-04 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[29]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1695
[29] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1695
<clown> ACTION: joanie to propose ATK/AT-SPI mapping of
aria-kbdshortcuts [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
[30] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1696 - Propose atk/at-spi mapping of
aria-kbdshortcuts [on Joanmarie Diggs - due 2015-08-04].
<clown> ACTION: Surkov to propose MSAA+IA2 mapping of
aria-kbdshortcuts [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
[31] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1697 - Propose msaa+ia2 mapping of
aria-kbdshortcuts [on Alexander Surkov - due 2015-08-04].
<clown> ACTION: jcriag to propose AXAPI mapping of
aria-kbdshortcuts [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
[32] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
<trackbot> Error finding 'jcriag'. You can review and register
nicknames at <[33]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/users>.
[33] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/users
<clown> ACTION: jcraig to propose AXAPI mapping of
aria-kbdshortcuts [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
[34] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1698 - Propose axapi mapping of
aria-kbdshortcuts [on James Craig - due 2015-08-04].
(Group briefly discusses that implications of the
not-interactivity for a mapping via AtkAction)
CS: I've not yet read the spec text, but there may be some
issues.
JS: I think there will be some further discussion about this.
... Dominic is in favor of this, as is Rich.
... James Craig started out against it. The last thing I read,
he seemed like he was on the fence.
CS: I'll read through it.
ACTION-1625: (Joseph, All) Update re: aria-interactive property.
<clown> action-1625>
<trackbot> action-1625 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Add interactive
property to core mappings that propogates from grid or table to
all grid aria grid or table structural elements. the
interactive property should have same mapping as defined in
issue 633 -- due 2015-09-08 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[35]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1625
[35] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1625
JS: This is a heads-up.
... The stuff related to grid and table is no longer relevant.
... But there is still some interest in having this property
for other elements as a way to communicate "hands off" to ATs.
... But we need spec text before we can map it.
... James N is working on this text.
... So keep this in the back of your mind.
... I think James is going to present his text this Thursday.
ACTION-1660/ISSUE-714 (Joanie) ATK/AT-SPI mapping of
aria-roledescription.
<clown> action-1660?
<trackbot> action-1660 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Propose the
ATK/AT-SPI mappings for aria-roledescription. -- due 2015-06-30
-- OPEN
<trackbot>
[36]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1660
[36] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1660
[37]https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#aria-role
description
[37]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#aria-roledescription
JD: I've already stated an object attribute in the comments.
What additional information would you like from me?
JS: Ok, so I guess I need to check with Alex about IA2.
<clown> scribenick:
<clown> scribenick: clown
<joanie>
[38]https://developer.gnome.org/atk/unstable/AtkObject.html#atk
-role-get-localized-name
[38]
https://developer.gnome.org/atk/unstable/AtkObject.html#atk-role-get-localized-name
JD: Having deja vu that we already talked about this.
... The URL above documents the loclaized name.
... It takes the name of the object and localizes it, not the
role name.
JS: I may have mis-scribed.
JD: It takes a role like ATK_ROLE_CHECKBOX...
... And asks the UA for the localized name of that.
<joanie> <button aria-roledescription="Attach a file
button">Foo!</button>
CS: It's similar to UIA's localized control type, which is up
to the developer.
... And Apple has something similar.
... While I have misgivings, I think it's something that is
needed.
JD: Take a look at the example in the spec for the "slide"
description.
... That's being used for a role of "region".
... Does that mean that all regions are now slides?
... No. So the role description is associated with the element
in question, not a particular role.
... Hence, the ATK role-get-localized-name() doesn't apply
since that works with an ATK role.
JS: I get it. Okay, then we can't use ATK's
role-get-localized-name() function.
<joanie>
[39]http://accessibility.linuxfoundation.org/a11yspecs/ia2/docs
/html/interface_i_accessible2.html#acb64a9802aefaf4c61a78273aa3
ee7d7
[39]
http://accessibility.linuxfoundation.org/a11yspecs/ia2/docs/html/interface_i_accessible2.html#acb64a9802aefaf4c61a78273aa3ee7d7
<joanie> scribe: joanie
<clown> JD: I'm looking at IA2 now, and see if I can get a link
to get extended role.
JD: I *think* the API above might be appropriate for IA2.
... So in answer to your original question, Joseph, I'm not
sure if IA2 has a need for an object attribute.
... As a result, I may need to check with Alex Surkov and James
Teh.
JS: Ok, I'll update the due date to next week so you can do
that.
ACTION-1662/ISSUE-714 (Alex) IA2 mapping of aria-roledescription.
JS: I did send an email earlier today. Basically asking if he's
had time to consider it. I CCed Joanie. I mentioned the
mappings might be similar, etc.
Bugzilla-28816 (All) Some ARIA roles lacking explicit a11y API role
mappings.
<clown>
[40]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28816
[40] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28816
JS: To summarize things, Jason Kiss pointed out a list of ARIA
roles which he noticed there was no explicit mapping in the
spec.
... He thinks there should be official roles.
<clown>
[41]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28816#c16
[41] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28816#c16
JS: It's bounced back and forth.
... (Reads from comment 16 of above URL)
... Alex is saying, use the role itself for the role property.
... And then expose it via xml-roles property.
CS: But that's not how ARIA works. We can talk about that for
ARIA 2.0.
... This issue was dealt with in a meeting between HTML and
ARIA in/around 2004 or 2005.
... This is the implicit semantics and strong native semantics.
It's covered in both the HTML and ARIA specs.
<clown>
[42]http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#host_languages
[42] http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#host_languages
CS: ARIA wins, except for several special cases which were
discussed at the meeting in 2004/2005.
JS: Is the above URL the relevant part of the spec?
<clown>
[43]http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#implicit_semantics
[43] http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#implicit_semantics
CS: I think 7.4 or 7.5.
<clown>
[44]http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#host_general_confl
ict
[44] http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#host_general_conflict
JS: Do you know where it is in the HTML5 spec?
<tzviya> [45]http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/dom.html#wai-aria
[45] http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/dom.html#wai-aria
<cyns_> [46]http://www.w3.org/TR/html/dom.html#wai-aria
[46] http://www.w3.org/TR/html/dom.html#wai-aria
CS: It's section 3.2.7.
... It's covered in length in both.
... I'm fine with opening this up for Web Apps, WAPA, ARIA 2.0.
... But for ARIA 1.x it's decided.
JS: Does that mean what Alex is saying and Firefox is doing is
wrong?
... If you use role="banner", if you use it with a table
element, the role is table.
... So they're defining the accessibility role based on the
element.
CS: I think that's incorrect.
... What we do is map it to group and then expose it via
localized role attribute.
<clown> <table role="banner">
JD: We have ATK_ROLE_LANDMARK.
JS: I encourage you (Cynthia) and Joanie to look at this
bugzilla issue and discuss.
... If you'd like, I'll bring it up on Thursday.
... I don't think we can fit it in this week, so it will be
towards the end of August.
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Cynthia to propose UIA mapping for
aria-errormessage. [recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: Cynthia to propose UIA mapping for
aria-kbdshortcuts [recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: James Craig to propose AXAPI mapping of
aria-errormessage [recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: JamesC to propose AXAPI mapping of
aria-errormessage [recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: JamesCraig to propose AXAPI mapping of
aria-errormessage [recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: jcraig to propose AXAPI mapping of
aria-errormessage [recorded in
[52]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: jcraig to propose AXAPI mapping of
aria-kbdshortcuts [recorded in
[53]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: jcriag to propose AXAPI mapping of
aria-kbdshortcuts [recorded in
[54]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: joanie to propose ATK/AT-SPI mapping for
aria-errormessage [recorded in
[55]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: joanie to propose ATK/AT-SPI mapping of
aria-kbdshortcuts [recorded in
[56]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: Surkhov to propose MSAA+IA2 mapping for
aria-errormessage [recorded in
[57]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: Surkov to propose MSAA+IA2 mapping for
aria-errormessage [recorded in
[58]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: Surkov to propose MSAA+IA2 mapping of
aria-kbdshortcuts [recorded in
[59]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc]
[47] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc
[48] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc
[49] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc
[50] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc
[51] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc
[52] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc
[53] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc
[54] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc
[55] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc
[56] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc
[57] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc
[58] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc
[59] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/28-aapi-irc
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