[aapi] Minutes: UAI TF Meeting Tue 9 September 2014

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           Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
                              09 Sep 2014

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Attendees

   Present
          Joseph_Scheuhammer, Joanmarie_Diggs, Bryan_Garaventa,
          davidb, Rich_Schwerdtfeger

   Regrets
          Cynthia_Shelley

   Chair
          Joseph_Scheuhammer

   Scribe
          davidb

Contents

     * [3]Topics
         1. [4]News: ACTION-1506:(All) Joseph to create editors
            draft of name/description computation document in
            github.
         2. [5]ACTION-980: (David) Define mappings for managed
            aria related states.
         3. [6]Request from Rich: Discuss when to expose SVG
            objects in the absence of ARIA attributes.
     * [7]Summary of Action Items
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   <trackbot> Date: 09 September 2014

   <clown> agenda: this

   <clown> scribenick: davidb

   RS: did I see David Bolter is a scribe!?

News: ACTION-1506:(All) Joseph to create editors draft of
name/description computation document in github.

   <clown> action-1506?

   <trackbot> action-1506 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Create editors
   draft of name/description computation document in github -- due
   2014-09-15 -- OPEN

   <trackbot>
   [8]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1506

      [8] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1506

   JS: my focus here is to get this into its own document, then
   text can be clarified.

   RS: steve could help here

   <richardschwerdtfeger>
   [9]http://www.w3.org/TR/html-aapi/#accessible-name-and-descript
   ion-calculation

      [9]
http://www.w3.org/TR/html-aapi/#accessible-name-and-description-calculation

   DB: are you looking to abstract this?

   RS: abstract and then give concrete language for host language

   (RS working on SVG)

   JD: I'm fine with that

   DB: some broad stroke sentences might help at the beginning
   yeah

   <clown>
   [10]http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-wai-aria-implementation-200902
   24/#mapping_special_te

     [10]
http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-wai-aria-implementation-20090224/#mapping_special_te

   that is a link to the original (aaronlev) algorithm style text

   JS: I think it is Aaron Leventhal's

   RS: step by step is important

   JD: seeing examples is useful are there official w3c tests?

   JS: yep

   <clown>
   [11]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases?testsuite_i
   d=1

     [11] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases?testsuite_id=1

   <clown> [12]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness

     [12] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness

   JS: there are the tests etc for ARIA 1.0

   <Zakim> Joanmarie_Diggs, you wanted to ask if there are
   existing tests for this?

ACTION-980: (David) Define mappings for managed aria related states.

   <clown> action-980?

   <trackbot> action-980 -- David Bolter to Define mappings for
   managed aria related states: aria-setsize, aria-posinset,
   aria-level, focused, focusable with reference to section 5.5
   bullet 1 of the UAIG. -- due 2014-08-22 -- OPEN

   <trackbot>
   [13]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/980

     [13] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/980

   discussion about visibility

   [14]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_event
   s_visibility

     [14]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_visibility

   <clown>
   [15]https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Accessibility/
   AT-APIs/MSAA/States

     [15]
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Accessibility/AT-APIs/MSAA/States

   JS: move this to its own section, list the managed states with
   pointers into the document where already described

   (bullet 1 text)

Request from Rich: Discuss when to expose SVG objects in the absence
of ARIA attributes.

   <richardschwerdtfeger>
   [16]https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/struct.html#WAIARIAAttributes

     [16] https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/struct.html#WAIARIAAttributes

   RS: this is about once you apply the aria role ...
   ... in 5.3. though there are implicit semantics

   (looking at circle)

   RS: trying to make sure a11y tree doesn't get too fat
   ... in webkit they said, if you put a tite, desc, or
   aria-label*, you get a group role (in absence of specified aria
   role)
   ... should aria-describedby trigger a group role

   title and desc are global native

   DB: my hands aren't dirty enough here

   <clown> <circle … aria-describedby="id"> <span id="id">This
   is???</span>

   <clown>
   [17]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-imple
   mentation.html#mapping_additional_relations

     [17]
http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#mapping_additional_relations

   <clown>
   [18]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-imple
   mentation.html#ariaDescribedBy

     [18]
http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#ariaDescribedBy

   (circle should be in the tree in this case)

   (discussion of "none" role)

   proceeding with 'none' over deprecated 'presentation'

   time check

Summary of Action Items

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