- From: Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>
- Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 16:15:09 -0400
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
20 May 2014
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2014/05/20-aapi-irc
Attendees
Present
Joseph_Scheuhammer, David_Bolter, Joanmarie_Diggs,
Bryan_Garaventa, Cynthia
Regrets
Chair
Joseph_Scheuhammer
Scribe
joanie
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Any new issues or edits for heart beat draft?
2. [5]ACTION-1434 (David): Contact Matt King regarding
issue-481, especially regarding multi-process.
3. [6]ISSUE-481/ACTION-1368 (Cynthia): Investigate IE
implementation of aria-live region events.
4. [7]ISSUES and ACTIONS triage: (All)
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23.
Start with ACTION-1306
* [8]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 20 May 2014
<clown> agenda: this
<scribe> Scribenick: joanie
Any new issues or edits for heart beat draft?
JS: One of the things in the last meeting minutes is: While I
was on vacation, think of what edits you might want (or not
want) in the next heart beat draft
DB: Review the whole document, right?
JS: (confirms)
I didn't get that
<clown>
[9]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/spec/aria.html#aria-haspop
up
[9] http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/spec/aria.html#aria-haspopup
<bgaraventa1979> It appears that aria-haspopup is mapped to
role=button in the UIAG, but not to links, should it be mapped
to menu there too?
<clown>
[10]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-imple
mentation.html#mapping_state-property_table
[10]
http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#mapping_state-property_table
JS: It's not in the role mapping table
... It's in the states and properties table
... Which roles should I look at in roles?
BG: Under button
JS: (Reads from spec)
... If button has aria-haspopup true, map to role button menu
BG: What should happen when aria-haspopup is applied to links
JS: (Reads)
<clown> Expose as STATE_SYSTEM_HASPOPUP
JS: So if it's on a link, it's telling you it has a popup menu
<clown> From the spec: Indicates that the
[11]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/spec/aria.html#dfn-elemen
t has a popup context menu or sub-level menu
[11] http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/spec/aria.html#dfn-element
DB: How do we indicated a popup that's not a menu?
JS: At the moment we don't
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JS: aria-haspopup was supposed to be semantic equivalent to
visual triangle
<bgaraventa1979> I was asked last week why can't it be applied
to modal popups, popup overlays, etc.
DB: Should we do things more general? Why assume it's going to
be a menu
<davidb> Why not get rid of aria-haspopup and have
aria-haspoprole="foo" to take the guesswork away. (Since wild
web and all)
<davidb> or haspopuprole
JD: Agrees with suggestion
<davidb> e.g aria-popuprole="menu"
JS: And the role value would be an aria role
... I'm going to suggest you look for the issue filed by Steve
asking why this property is limited to menus.
... It's either 1.1 or 2.0, but I forgoet which.
<bgaraventa1979> I'm happy to support extending this to more
than menus
JS: I do get the impression that it has to be "attached"; it
can't be another window.
DB: I'm not seeing it 1.1 issues.
... I'll just email Steve
JS: I don't think this is going to make it into the heart beat.
:)
... Anything else (quick and dirty edit we can make) that can
go into the heartbeat draft?
... The last couple of weeks we resolved issues (e.g. tab
panels not live regions)
... I have made these changes.
... I also made sure the document is formatted properly.
... I'm prepared to say to the main group that the UAIG is
ready for a heart beat release.
DB: I don't think there's anything to block that.
JS: There's also a change from Apple regarding aria-busy.
... So I made that change in the UAIG.
ACTION-1434 (David): Contact Matt King regarding issue-481,
especially regarding multi-process.
<clown> action-1434?
<trackbot> action-1434 -- David Bolter to Contact matt king
regarding issue-481, especially regarding multi-process -- due
2014-05-13 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[12]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1434
[12] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1434
DB: I wanted to do a few tests first.
<clown> issue-481?
<trackbot> issue-481 -- aria-live removal events should or must
happen before object removal -- open
<trackbot> [13]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/481
[13] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/481
DB: As I recall, the consensus was to leave it as SHOULD.
... This may be a courtesy email, or it may become a
discussion.
... I think I should probably just send it and I can do the
testing later.
JD: This strikes me as being an issue of common sense rather
than something that is W3C.
<davidb> agreed
JD: If the object is already defunct before you emit the signal
to the platform accessibility tool, you are in danger of a
browser crash.
<bgaraventa1979> can it be passed as part of the event? like an
arg?
<bgaraventa1979> similare to removeChild
DB: The statement could be more along the lines of notifying
ATs what has be removed
... How they do so is up to them
CS: So should it still be a SHOULD
... They don't in IE because of performance concerns
DB: You might want to destroy objects more quickly
JS: Should I change David's action to another date?
DB: Next week is fine
<clown> action-1368?
<trackbot> action-1368 -- Cynthia Shelly to Investigate
implementation of aria-live region events in ie apropos
issue-481. -- due 2014-04-29 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[14]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1368
[14] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1368
JS: We'll wait for the response from Matt and go from there.
JD: Suggests that perhaps for 2.0 we should consider
alternatives to children-changed:removed as this is a
cross-platform, cross-toolkit issue
ISSUE-481/ACTION-1368 (Cynthia): Investigate IE implementation of
aria-live region events.
JS: That was discussed as part of the previous item.
... The issue got a note and has been closed.
ISSUES and ACTIONS triage: (All)
[15]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23. Start with
ACTION-1306
[15] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23.
<clown> action-1306?
<trackbot> action-1306 -- Cynthia Shelly to Cynthia to find the
right people at MS to talk about UI automation -- due
2013-11-19 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[16]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1306
[16] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1306
JS: (reads the issue)
<clown>
[17]http://www.w3.org/2013/11/12-testing-minutes.html#item02
[17] http://www.w3.org/2013/11/12-testing-minutes.html#item02
JS: There's a note to see testing minutes (link above)
CS: I have found the right people and they are discussing it.
... I think we can close this issue.
JS: Closed with a note.
<clown> action-1311?
<trackbot> action-1311 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Clarify that
presentation role should preserve separation of nodes within
tables/lists; work out in UAIG 1.1 and with
implementors/vendors how to resolve this. -- due 2014-01-31 --
OPEN
<trackbot>
[18]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1311
[18] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1311
JS: This is one of mine.
... There was a point where Alex made some changes to the way
Firefox emitted
<clown> <table role="presentation" …>
JS: And all the text was joined together.
... In the end Alex changed something back.
... And I think he fixed it. And it turned into:
<clown> [19]https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=945435
[19] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=945435
<clown>
[20]https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=945435#c9
[20] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=945435#c9
JS: Quotes Rich from the above comment 9.
... Quotes from the action
... We defer to the spec
... In the role mapping table we say see the roles about
presentation
... Which refers back to the spec
... What does it say in the spec?
... The spec is not going to saying anything as specific as an
IA2 text frame
... So, I have enough info that I could write something for
role table
... for IA2
... I don't know what to say for the other platforms
<clown> \o?
<clown> \o/
JS: We can create a new issue
... And then make new actions for that issue
<scribe> ACTION: Joanie to investigate the ideal ATK/AT-SPI2
mapping for role presentation in tables and lists. [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/20-aapi-irc]
[21] http://www.w3.org/2014/05/20-aapi-irc
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1444 - Investigate the ideal
atk/at-spi2 mapping for role presentation in tables and lists.
[on Joanmarie Diggs - due 2014-05-27].
<scribe> ACTION: Cynthia to investigate the ideal UAI mapping
for role presentation in tables and lists. [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/20-aapi-irc]
[22] http://www.w3.org/2014/05/20-aapi-irc
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1445 - Investigate the ideal uai
mapping for role presentation in tables and lists. [on Cynthia
Shelly - due 2014-05-27].
<clown> issue-661?
<trackbot> issue-661 -- UAIG1.1: Specify how to map children of
table/lists with role presentation. -- open
<trackbot> [23]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/661
[23] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/661
trackbot, help
<trackbot> Please see
<[24]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
[24] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc%3E
<clown> action-1444?
<trackbot> action-1444 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Investigate the
ideal atk/at-spi2 mapping for role presentation in tables and
lists. -- due 2014-06-03 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[25]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1444
[25] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1444
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Cynthia to investigate the ideal UAI mapping for
role presentation in tables and lists. [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/20-aapi-irc]
[NEW] ACTION: Joanie to investigate the ideal ATK/AT-SPI2
mapping for role presentation in tables and lists. [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/20-aapi-irc]
[26] http://www.w3.org/2014/05/20-aapi-irc
[27] http://www.w3.org/2014/05/20-aapi-irc
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