[aapi] Minutes: UAI TF Meeting Tue 20 May 2014

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           Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
                              20 May 2014

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Attendees

   Present
          Joseph_Scheuhammer, David_Bolter, Joanmarie_Diggs,
          Bryan_Garaventa, Cynthia

   Regrets
   Chair
          Joseph_Scheuhammer

   Scribe
          joanie

Contents

     * [3]Topics
         1. [4]Any new issues or edits for heart beat draft?
         2. [5]ACTION-1434 (David): Contact Matt King regarding
            issue-481, especially regarding multi-process.
         3. [6]ISSUE-481/ACTION-1368 (Cynthia): Investigate IE
            implementation of aria-live region events.
         4. [7]ISSUES and ACTIONS triage: (All)
            https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23.
            Start with ACTION-1306
     * [8]Summary of Action Items
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   <trackbot> Date: 20 May 2014

   <clown> agenda: this

   <scribe> Scribenick: joanie

Any new issues or edits for heart beat draft?

   JS: One of the things in the last meeting minutes is: While I
   was on vacation, think of what edits you might want (or not
   want) in the next heart beat draft

   DB: Review the whole document, right?

   JS: (confirms)

   I didn't get that

   <clown>
   [9]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/spec/aria.html#aria-haspop
   up

      [9] http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/spec/aria.html#aria-haspopup

   <bgaraventa1979> It appears that aria-haspopup is mapped to
   role=button in the UIAG, but not to links, should it be mapped
   to menu there too?

   <clown>
   [10]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-imple
   mentation.html#mapping_state-property_table

     [10]
http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#mapping_state-property_table

   JS: It's not in the role mapping table
   ... It's in the states and properties table
   ... Which roles should I look at in roles?

   BG: Under button

   JS: (Reads from spec)
   ... If button has aria-haspopup true, map to role button menu

   BG: What should happen when aria-haspopup is applied to links

   JS: (Reads)

   <clown> Expose as STATE_SYSTEM_HASPOPUP

   JS: So if it's on a link, it's telling you it has a popup menu

   <clown> From the spec: Indicates that the
   [11]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/spec/aria.html#dfn-elemen
   t has a popup context menu or sub-level menu

     [11] http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/spec/aria.html#dfn-element

   DB: How do we indicated a popup that's not a menu?

   JS: At the moment we don't

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   JS: aria-haspopup was supposed to be semantic equivalent to
   visual triangle

   <bgaraventa1979> I was asked last week why can't it be applied
   to modal popups, popup overlays, etc.

   DB: Should we do things more general? Why assume it's going to
   be a menu

   <davidb> Why not get rid of aria-haspopup and have
   aria-haspoprole="foo" to take the guesswork away. (Since wild
   web and all)

   <davidb> or haspopuprole

   JD: Agrees with suggestion

   <davidb> e.g aria-popuprole="menu"

   JS: And the role value would be an aria role
   ... I'm going to suggest you look for the issue filed by Steve
   asking why this property is limited to menus.
   ... It's either 1.1 or 2.0, but I forgoet which.

   <bgaraventa1979> I'm happy to support extending this to more
   than menus

   JS: I do get the impression that it has to be "attached"; it
   can't be another window.

   DB: I'm not seeing it 1.1 issues.
   ... I'll just email Steve

   JS: I don't think this is going to make it into the heart beat.
   :)
   ... Anything else (quick and dirty edit we can make) that can
   go into the heartbeat draft?
   ... The last couple of weeks we resolved issues (e.g. tab
   panels not live regions)
   ... I have made these changes.
   ... I also made sure the document is formatted properly.
   ... I'm prepared to say to the main group that the UAIG is
   ready for a heart beat release.

   DB: I don't think there's anything to block that.

   JS: There's also a change from Apple regarding aria-busy.
   ... So I made that change in the UAIG.

ACTION-1434 (David): Contact Matt King regarding issue-481,
especially regarding multi-process.

   <clown> action-1434?

   <trackbot> action-1434 -- David Bolter to Contact matt king
   regarding issue-481, especially regarding multi-process -- due
   2014-05-13 -- OPEN

   <trackbot>
   [12]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1434

     [12] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1434

   DB: I wanted to do a few tests first.

   <clown> issue-481?

   <trackbot> issue-481 -- aria-live removal events should or must
   happen before object removal -- open

   <trackbot> [13]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/481

     [13] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/481

   DB: As I recall, the consensus was to leave it as SHOULD.
   ... This may be a courtesy email, or it may become a
   discussion.
   ... I think I should probably just send it and I can do the
   testing later.

   JD: This strikes me as being an issue of common sense rather
   than something that is W3C.

   <davidb> agreed

   JD: If the object is already defunct before you emit the signal
   to the platform accessibility tool, you are in danger of a
   browser crash.

   <bgaraventa1979> can it be passed as part of the event? like an
   arg?

   <bgaraventa1979> similare to removeChild

   DB: The statement could be more along the lines of notifying
   ATs what has be removed
   ... How they do so is up to them

   CS: So should it still be a SHOULD
   ... They don't in IE because of performance concerns

   DB: You might want to destroy objects more quickly

   JS: Should I change David's action to another date?

   DB: Next week is fine

   <clown> action-1368?

   <trackbot> action-1368 -- Cynthia Shelly to Investigate
   implementation of aria-live region events in ie apropos
   issue-481. -- due 2014-04-29 -- OPEN

   <trackbot>
   [14]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1368

     [14] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1368

   JS: We'll wait for the response from Matt and go from there.

   JD: Suggests that perhaps for 2.0 we should consider
   alternatives to children-changed:removed as this is a
   cross-platform, cross-toolkit issue

ISSUE-481/ACTION-1368 (Cynthia): Investigate IE implementation of
aria-live region events.

   JS: That was discussed as part of the previous item.
   ... The issue got a note and has been closed.

ISSUES and ACTIONS triage: (All)
[15]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23. Start with
ACTION-1306

     [15] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23.

   <clown> action-1306?

   <trackbot> action-1306 -- Cynthia Shelly to Cynthia to find the
   right people at MS to talk about UI automation -- due
   2013-11-19 -- OPEN

   <trackbot>
   [16]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1306

     [16] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1306

   JS: (reads the issue)

   <clown>
   [17]http://www.w3.org/2013/11/12-testing-minutes.html#item02

     [17] http://www.w3.org/2013/11/12-testing-minutes.html#item02

   JS: There's a note to see testing minutes (link above)

   CS: I have found the right people and they are discussing it.
   ... I think we can close this issue.

   JS: Closed with a note.

   <clown> action-1311?

   <trackbot> action-1311 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Clarify that
   presentation role should preserve separation of nodes within
   tables/lists; work out in UAIG 1.1 and with
   implementors/vendors how to resolve this. -- due 2014-01-31 --
   OPEN

   <trackbot>
   [18]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1311

     [18] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1311

   JS: This is one of mine.
   ... There was a point where Alex made some changes to the way
   Firefox emitted

   <clown> <table role="presentation" …>

   JS: And all the text was joined together.
   ... In the end Alex changed something back.
   ... And I think he fixed it. And it turned into:

   <clown> [19]https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=945435

     [19] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=945435

   <clown>
   [20]https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=945435#c9

     [20] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=945435#c9

   JS: Quotes Rich from the above comment 9.
   ... Quotes from the action
   ... We defer to the spec
   ... In the role mapping table we say see the roles about
   presentation
   ... Which refers back to the spec
   ... What does it say in the spec?
   ... The spec is not going to saying anything as specific as an
   IA2 text frame
   ... So, I have enough info that I could write something for
   role table
   ... for IA2
   ... I don't know what to say for the other platforms

   <clown> \o?

   <clown> \o/

   JS: We can create a new issue
   ... And then make new actions for that issue

   <scribe> ACTION: Joanie to investigate the ideal ATK/AT-SPI2
   mapping for role presentation in tables and lists. [recorded in
   [21]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/20-aapi-irc]

     [21] http://www.w3.org/2014/05/20-aapi-irc

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-1444 - Investigate the ideal
   atk/at-spi2 mapping for role presentation in tables and lists.
   [on Joanmarie Diggs - due 2014-05-27].

   <scribe> ACTION: Cynthia to investigate the ideal UAI mapping
   for role presentation in tables and lists. [recorded in
   [22]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/20-aapi-irc]

     [22] http://www.w3.org/2014/05/20-aapi-irc

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-1445 - Investigate the ideal uai
   mapping for role presentation in tables and lists. [on Cynthia
   Shelly - due 2014-05-27].

   <clown> issue-661?

   <trackbot> issue-661 -- UAIG1.1: Specify how to map children of
   table/lists with role presentation. -- open

   <trackbot> [23]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/661

     [23] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/661

   trackbot, help

   <trackbot> Please see
   <[24]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.

     [24] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc%3E

   <clown> action-1444?

   <trackbot> action-1444 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Investigate the
   ideal atk/at-spi2 mapping for role presentation in tables and
   lists. -- due 2014-06-03 -- OPEN

   <trackbot>
   [25]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1444

     [25] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1444

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: Cynthia to investigate the ideal UAI mapping for
   role presentation in tables and lists. [recorded in
   [26]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/20-aapi-irc]
   [NEW] ACTION: Joanie to investigate the ideal ATK/AT-SPI2
   mapping for role presentation in tables and lists. [recorded in
   [27]http://www.w3.org/2014/05/20-aapi-irc]

     [26] http://www.w3.org/2014/05/20-aapi-irc
     [27] http://www.w3.org/2014/05/20-aapi-irc

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