- From: Joseph Scheuhammer <clown@alum.mit.edu>
- Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2014 16:11:31 -0500
- To: "wai-xtech@w3.org" <wai-xtech@w3.org>
Link: http://www.w3.org/2014/03/04-aapi-minutes.html
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Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
04 Mar 2014
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Attendees
Present
Joseph_Scheuhammer, David_Bolter, Bryan_Garaventa
Regrets
Joanie_Diggs, Cynthia_Shelley
Chair
Joseph_Scheuhammer
Scribe
davidb
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Note that DST for Canada/US comes into effect by
next meeting (Mar 11).
2. [5]Progress on refactoring UAIG and starting on edits
for UAIG 1.1.
3. [6]Addition of table role(s) to ARIA 1.1.
ISSUE-423/ACTION-1395.
4. [7]ISSUE-481/ACTION-1368/ACTION-1369: (David, Cynthia)
aria-live removal events should/must happen before
object removal.
5. [8]ISSUE-441/ACTION-1372: (Cynthia) Test case for
incomplete use of aria-posinset/aria-setsize.
6. [9]ISSUE-618/ACTION-1371: (Cynthia) Investigate how IE
implements item de-selection in single selection
container.
7. [10]ISSUE-635/ACTION-1372: (Cynthia) Create test case
for rowgroup role.
8. [11]ISSUE-644: (All) Update ATK/AT-SPI mapping for
aria-hidden="true" to reflect elements should not be
exposed/mapped.
9. [12]1.1 ISSUES and ACTIONS: (All) Start with
ISSUE-540,
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23
* [13]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 04 March 2014
<clown> agenda: this
oh
<clown> zakaim, agenda?
<clown> scribenick: davidb
DB: hoping to move some of my items to email so that I don't
have to be an obstacle during my chaotic weeks
JS: this meeting is good for final resolution, do everything
else via email
Note that DST for Canada/US comes into effect by next meeting (Mar
11).
Progress on refactoring UAIG and starting on edits for UAIG 1.1.
JS: discussing documentation build system
JS explains it is getting simplified (post 1.0)
JS: will add corrected gnome mappings to 1.1 uaig soon
Addition of table role(s) to ARIA 1.1. ISSUE-423/ACTION-1395.
JS: this is to bring DB up to speed
... we concluded we would add a table role, primarily for non
html languages.
... grid is considered interactive, table is a classic data
table, just structure.
... table role added to 1.1, someone will look at sub elements
as well... TBD
... so you can make a table in SVG
alex might say just mix in html
(group discussion of role hierarchy)
BG: I see people misusing grid.
<clown> action-1396?
<trackbot> action-1396 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Modify uaig to
convey grid role in accessibility mappings, beyond table.
(atk/atspi/ ia2 xml-role=grid, macosx: roledescription: grid,
msaa/uiaexpress localizedcontroltype="grid"?) -- due 2014-03-10
-- OPEN
<trackbot>
[14]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1396
[14] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1396
JS: grid is currently mapped to table in all a11y APIs
... where do we map table? (sic)
DB: hard not to map it to table
discussion of BSTR hack in light of xml-roles obj attr
DB: BSTR should be considered deprecated
discussion of who controls navigation for grid vs table
JS: (reads spec wording about grid edit-ability vs read
only-ness from spec)
DB: this smells fuzzy
JS: no black and white line between tables and grids
... and what about selection
sounds like table could be treated like a grid with aria
readonly on the whole thing
<clown> <table role="log" ...>
(brief review of "addition of HTML role requirement mappings"
public thread)
DB: i never liked edge cases
... conclusion - we need broader feedback
ISSUE-481/ACTION-1368/ACTION-1369: (David, Cynthia) aria-live removal
events should/must happen before object removal.
<clown> issue-481?
<trackbot> issue-481 -- aria-live removal events should or must
happen before object removal -- open
<trackbot> [15]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/481
[15] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/481
postpone to next week
ISSUE-441/ACTION-1372: (Cynthia) Test case for incomplete use of
aria-posinset/aria-setsize.
meeting shame!
ISSUE-618/ACTION-1371: (Cynthia) Investigate how IE implements item
de-selection in single selection container.
ISSUE-635/ACTION-1372: (Cynthia) Create test case for rowgroup role.
<clown> cynthia not here, let's skip.
ISSUE-644: (All) Update ATK/AT-SPI mapping for aria-hidden="true" to
reflect elements should not be exposed/mapped.
<clown> issue-644?
<trackbot> issue-644 -- Update ATK/AT-SPI mapping for
aria-hidden="true" to reflect elements should not be
exposed/mapped -- open
<trackbot> [16]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/644
[16] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/644
<clown> "If the object is in the accessibility tree, map all
attributes as normal. In addition, expose object attribute
hidden:true."
<clown> "Element SHOULD NOT be exposed in a11y tree. If the
object is in the ….
<clown> AXAPI says: "Not exposed in AX API unless focused. If
focused, expose as normal."
DB: I'm probably ok with _SHOULD_ NOT but with a grunt
BG: could be bad to expose even the interactive elements, given
you want to prevent usage of the hidden tree
(group discussing aria-hidden yet again)
1.1 ISSUES and ACTIONS: (All) Start with ISSUE-540,
[17]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23
[17] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23
<clown> end of the hour.
Summary of Action Items
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