- From: Alexander Surkov <surkov.alexander@gmail.com>
- Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 10:24:04 -0800
- To: John Foliot <john@foliot.ca>
- Cc: Dominic Mazzoni <dmazzoni@google.com>, James Craig <jcraig@apple.com>, WAI XTech <wai-xtech@w3.org>, "Michael[tm] Smith" <mike@w3.org>, Daniel Weck <daniel.weck@gmail.com>, "Ted O'Connor" <eoconnor@apple.com>
- Message-ID: <CA+epNseSuQ9VXTB8Wi1YcoQyasV0gj1AX=WmysNTR7tWcNamwg@mail.gmail.com>
Hi, John. I don't. I think ARIA can be useful in any HTML-like environment, if you create custom controls in SVG then ARIA is perfect for that. Thanks. Alex. On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 10:16 AM, John Foliot <john@foliot.ca> wrote: > Hi Alex, > > > > Once again, I ask you, do you believe that ARIA is for HTML only? Does the > language-agnostic part of ARIA no longer apply? > > > > I totally support using Native semantics (etc.) over ARIA supplied > whenever possible, but when the host language lacks a feature required for > a11y, then I maintain we should be able to provide it via ARIA. > > > > If this is an incorrect understanding of the role of ARIA within the > larger eco-system, then I think it requires further clarification, as the > resources I have previously referenced seem (to me) to back up my > understanding. > > > > Cheers! > > > > JF > > > > *From:* Alexander Surkov [mailto:surkov.alexander@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:11 AM > *To:* Alexander Surkov; Dominic Mazzoni; John Foliot; James Craig; WAI > XTech; Michael[tm] Smith; Daniel Weck; Ted O'Connor > *Subject:* Re: @aria-describedat at-risk in ARIA 1.1 heartbeat draft > > > > Hi, Janina. I don't have clear use case of the universal longdesc in my > mind so I'm not sure where the feature should be. If it's supposed to be > used on HTML elements then HTML spec should be a right place to host it. > > > In general I just don't support the idea to let ARIA to have UI dressing > since it's all about semantics and I wouldn't want to change that. > > Thanks. > Alex. > > > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote: > > Do I understand that you correctly? > > If our intent is a general feature for the whole world, than you say > "Put it in HTML?" > > If our intent is a feature for accessibility, would you say "ARIA is > OK?" > > Is this correct? Is this your view? > > Just walking througha clarification here ... > > Janina > > > Alexander Surkov writes: > > It looks like I should comment too. I think that if aria-describedat is a > > nice feature for any element and all users can benefit of it then it > should > > be part of HTML5 spec. > > Thanks. > > Alex. > > > > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Dominic Mazzoni <dmazzoni@google.com> > wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 9:04 AM, John Foliot <john@foliot.ca> wrote: > > > > > >> I think as well that your characterization of "dissent" w.r.t. Gecko > and > > >> Blink > > >> is, shall I say, somewhat exaggerated, but (again) I think we should > ask > > >> these > > >> actors directly, and neither you nor I assume anything. > > >> > > > > > > Just to be clear, then, I officially object/dissent to the language > "User > > > agents should provide a device-independent mechanism to allow a user > to..." > > > used anywhere in the ARIA spec, because I feel the user agent directly > > > providing to all users a user-level feature based on an ARIA attribute > is a > > > radical departure from the rest of the ARIA spec. > > > > > > Resolutions I would be happy with include: > > > * Change the language so that aria-describedat is mapped to native > > > accessibility APIs only, like the rest of ARIA > > > * Or, make it part of HTML5 and take ARIA out of the name > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 > sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net > Email: janina@rednote.net > > Linux Foundation Fellow > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org > > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) > Chair, Protocols & Formats http://www.w3.org/wai/pf > Indie UI http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/ > > >
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