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- Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 16:39:15 -0400
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
20 Aug 2014
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2014/08/20-aapi-irc
Attendees
Present
Bryan_Garaventa, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Joanmarie_Diggs,
cyns
Regrets
David_Bolter
Chair
Joseph_Scheuhammer
Scribe
Joanie
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]News: ISSUE-657/ACTION-1498: (All) New role="term"
to associate with role="definition".
2. [5](Cynthia) Name computation.
3. [6]News: ISSUE-657/ACTION-1498: (All) New role="term"
to associate with role="definition".
4. [7]ACTION-1199: (All) Browsers SHOULD throw errors for
missing required attributes.
* [8]Summary of Action Items
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News: ISSUE-657/ACTION-1498: (All) New role="term" to associate with
role="definition".
(Cynthia) Name computation.
JS: Cynthia said the spec algorithm is too hard to understand
and must be rewritten.
CS: Michael and I have an action to create a diagram at TPAC.
<cyns>
[10]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-imple
mentation.html#mapping_additional_nd_name
[10]
http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#mapping_additional_nd_name
CS: This is written as an algorithm and not inputs and outputs,
so it's hard to test.
... I was thinking about trying to do this as an input-output.
<cyns>
[11]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-imple
mentation.html#mapping_additional_nd_te
[11]
http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#mapping_additional_nd_te
CS: Maybe having some examples?
JS: There is an example in 2A.
... And I think there are more examples in the spec.
<clown>
[12]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/spec/aria.html#namecomput
ation
[12] http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/spec/aria.html#namecomputation
JS: The above is the spec version.
... The examples (only 2) are at the bottom.
... Did this discussion happen in the last two weeks?
CS: About a month ago.
JS: Rich is trying to write the SVG document and thinks the
core mapping is too specific to HTML. He'd like it more
generic.
... I said there's not alot in here that's specific to HTML.
There's some, but not alot.
... I suggested that if it is so specific to the language, it
shouldn't be in the core guide.
CS: I agree.
JS and CS: Then it shouldn't be in the spec either.
CS: Some parts are generic, like aria-label and
aria-labelledby.
JS: Rich is concerned about CSS before and after because it
doesn't work in SVG.
... Is that then a bug in SVG? Besides, the CSS before and
after is just an example.
... If you don't have a name-from-contents scenario, the text
nodes are not visited.
... Number 3 is buried in there and just not well worded.
CS: Is there a normative requirement anywhere in 3? I don't see
one.
JS: (quotes section text)
... A lot of this stuff needs to be fixed.
CS: We should pull out the normative stuff and then figure out
how to reorganize the rest.
CS and JS: (Each stated they probably won't have the time in
the next couple of weeks)
JS: Is this part of ARIA 1.1 work?
CS: I think so. And I think we should suggest this be taken out
of the ARIA spec.
<clown> [13]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1151
[13] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1151
JS: The above is the action for creating the flowchart.
CS: There are two actions: The flowchart and the text.
JS: Michael seems to have a due date of Sept 8.
<clown> [14]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/522
[14] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/522
action-1474
<trackbot> action-1474 -- Cynthia Shelly to Work with joseph s.
and david b. to rewrite text alternative computation for both
the aria spec. and the core accessibility api mappings
specification. -- due 2014-08-12 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[15]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1474
[15] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1474
CS: Reiterates that the first step is to identify the normative
items. I think this will help Rich too.
JS: I've changed the date, I've changed the owner, and I have a
pretty good idea about what needs to be done now.
News: ISSUE-657/ACTION-1498: (All) New role="term" to associate with
role="definition".
<clown> issue-657
<trackbot> issue-657 -- Consider 1.1 "term" role (related to
html dfn/dt elements) in addition to the 1.0 "definition"
(equiv to html dd element) -- open
<trackbot> [16]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/657
[16] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/657
JS: There is in HTML a definition list which has dt and dd
elements. The first is the term; the second the definition.
... We already have a definition role in ARIA; we lack a term
role.
... It has been suggested we add a term role to be symetrical.
... Related question: What about dfn? And how to we associate
the proposed new role.
<clown> action-1498
<trackbot> action-1498 -- James Craig to Draft "term" role
(related to html dfn/dt elements) in addition to the 1.0
"definition" (equiv to html dd element) -- due 2014-08-25 --
OPEN
<trackbot>
[17]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1498
[17] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1498
JS: James Craig is going to draft some text for our
consideration.
oy
ACTION-1199: (All) Browsers SHOULD throw errors for missing required
attributes.
<clown>
[18]http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-implementation/#document-hand
ling_author-errors
[18]
http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-implementation/#document-handling_author-errors
JS: If you look at the current 1.0 mapping guide under the
author errors section
<clown> "If a required WAI-ARIA attribute for a given role is
missing, user agents SHOULD process the attribute as if the
values given in the following table were provided. User agents
MAY report these errors via their console."
JS: There's a paragraph in the middle(ish) of that section that
reads the above.
... There's been an action that the final MAY should become a
SHOULD.
... I'm willing to change it. It doesn't really add a lot to
the user agents, though it does make it stronger.
... I guess this would be shown via the javascript console
... I'd like to get David's opinion.
JD: I think it's good if it helps web devs find their errors.
JS: Next time I pass through these actions, I will put that in
and mention it to David.
Summary of Action Items
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