- From: Joseph Scheuhammer <clown@alum.mit.edu>
- Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 14:23:52 -0400
- To: "wai-xtech@w3.org" <wai-xtech@w3.org>
Link: http://www.w3.org/2013/03/21-aapi-minutes.html Plain text version follows: [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - WAI PF UAIG Weekly Teleconference 21 Mar 2013 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Mar/0046.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2013/03/21-aapi-irc Attendees Present Cynthia_Shelly, Joseph_Scheuhammer, David_Bolter, [Mozilla] Regrets Chair Joseph_Scheuhammer Scribe clown Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]ACTION-1175 2. [6]action-1183 3. [7]issue-550 4. [8]action-1152? 5. [9]document freeze 6. [10]Bugzilla 19772 7. [11]action-1157? * [12]Summary of Action Items __________________________________________________________ RRSAgent: make log public RRSAgent: make minutes RRSAgent: make log public trackbot, start meeting <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference <trackbot> Date: 21 March 2013 RRSAgent: make log public <davidb> \o/ <scribe> agenda: [13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Mar/0046. html [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Mar/0046.html ACTION-1175 ACTION-1175? <trackbot> ACTION-1175 -- David Bolter to status of ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT in MSAA/IA2 column for role=heading -- due 2013-03-18 -- OPEN <trackbot> [14]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1175 [14] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1175 <cyns> hi action-1175? <trackbot> ACTION-1175 -- David Bolter to status of ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT in MSAA/IA2 column for role=heading -- due 2013-03-18 -- OPEN <trackbot> [15]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1175 [15] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1175 DB: these are compatible: ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT means the role is exposed as a text string. ... let me retract that. I was thinking of a different enum. ... can we change it to "heading"? JS: depends on whether IE agrees — we want interoperability. DB: in some ways it doesn't matter, since ATs should be using the IA2 role. JS: why not drop the MSAA part entirely? <davidb> (fine with me) CS: what if an AT isn't looking at IA2 information. <scribe> ACTION: Cynthia to look into UIA Express and UIA mappings for role=heading to check for heading paragraph style. [recorded in [16]http://www.w3.org/2013/03/21-aapi-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-1185 - Look into UIA Express and UIA mappings for role=heading to check for heading paragraph style. [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2013-03-28]. JS: so what about FF? DB/CS: we shouldn't remove the MSAA role for graceful degradation. <davidb> i updated the action. JS: time frame? DB: I need to discuss with one team member, and then I can give a ETA. action-1183 action-1183> <trackbot> ACTION-1183 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to check UAIG for mapping a listbox to a menu when in a combobox. Also, fix this in test case 771 to reflect change. -- due 2013-03-25 -- OPEN <trackbot> [17]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1183 [17] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1183 [18]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_role_ table [18] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_role_table [19]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit/771 [19] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit/771 DB: we have a note in our code that it has role menu on ATK. CS: I think it's just a paste error. DB: we probably do it for IA2 — let me look at our tests. ... I can't find it that way. No test for it. JS: I could make a test file, and test IA2. CS: If you make a test file, and test it for IA2 and AT-SPI, then send us a link. issue-550 issue-550? <trackbot> ISSUE-550 -- Come up with a date to stop editing UAIG in preparation for the next Last Call Draft -- open <trackbot> [20]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/550 [20] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/550 action-851? <trackbot> ACTION-851 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to look through APG design patterns re: menus for examples that relate to UAIG 5.8.4 -- due 2013-02-01 -- OPEN <trackbot> [21]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/851 [21] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/851 CS: mark it as at-risk, and that allows us to remove it without going to last call. [22]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit/771 [22] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit/771 [23]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_event s_menus [23] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_menus CS: the overall question is: are ATs relying on these events? JS: also, the events one sees depends on the DHTML itself. ... I will bring this up with a neon sign at Mon's PF call. CS: I also want feedback from the IE team. DB: I've got to reach out to some people to find out why we fire these events. CS: can you add an editorial note that we are considering removing these events. JS: I will do that by end of day, and send an email to cynthia and david. action-1152? action-1152? <trackbot> ACTION-1152 -- Cynthia Shelly to investigate whether a pure UIA implementation does not have a description field -- due 2013-01-28 -- OPEN <trackbot> [24]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1152 [24] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1152 issue-551? <trackbot> ISSUE-551 -- When UAIG enters CR, we need to ask Director if we have to have 2 mappings to all platforms, or just demonstrate implementability of mapping via a sample and say all the mappings are therefore defined implementable -- open <trackbot> [25]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/551 [25] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/551 CS: I need to discuss with others. I will prioritize that. JS: the problem is: if the desription has display:none, what is the pointer pointing to? CS: to null, perhaps. But, probably in the text field. ... but I will double check. document freeze CS: can we get this done by next week? JS: depends on how much time I have to do the last minute edits. CS: Let's look at david's. Bugzilla 19772 [26]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19772#c5 [26] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19772#c5 DB/CS/JS: Lots of discussion about the bug to decipher it. DB: alex wants the text put back into the UIA express column. CS: why does it matter? DB: interoperability: we have landed some UIA express stuff. ... I need to reach out to alex and get more information. ... and the person who did the work. action-1157? action-1157? <trackbot> ACTION-1157 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to expose proper mapping of aria-atomic for MSAA/IAccessible2 -- due 2013-02-11 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> [27]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1157 [27] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1157 [28]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/states_and_properties#aria-at omic [28] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/states_and_properties#aria-atomic DB: it is information to the AT. ... if we collapse and not expose anything when false, then we are taking away a little information. ... I think it's there for when the code is there, and we don't do the check. ... what do you think? JS: it's a lot of information to add to the a11y tree. ... But, if the ATs gains something for it being there explicitly, then add it. davidb, you could type your thoughts. <davidb> I think you need to leave this one with me as well. I think I'd like to consider fixing in FF. <davidb> (or not) davidb, can you resolve it by next week? <davidb> Ask me Monday so we can "document freeze"? <davidb> which day? we want document freeze by next Fri. <davidb> ok i think so <davidb> otherwise i'll help decide what to do with doc that's good friday. <davidb> right, still ok. I suggest Apr 2 as document freeze day. <davidb> +1 so: I want all the edits "on my desk" by the end of the next meeting (Mar 28) that's not a smiley. Mar 28. <davidb> ok sir <davidb> sounds like a plan thanks you all we are done. <davidb> and you <davidb> ciao RRSAgent: make minutes RRSAgent: make minutes Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Cynthia to look into UIA Express and UIA mappings for role=heading to check for heading paragraph style. [recorded in [29]http://www.w3.org/2013/03/21-aapi-minutes.html#action01] [End of minutes] __________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [30]scribe.perl version 1.137 ([31]CVS log) $Date: 2013-03-21 18:13:59 $ __________________________________________________________ [30] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [31] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ -- ;;;;joseph. 'A: After all, it isn't rocket science.' 'K: Right. It's merely computer science.' - J. D. Klaun -
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