- From: Joseph Scheuhammer <clown@alum.mit.edu>
- Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 14:23:52 -0400
- To: "wai-xtech@w3.org" <wai-xtech@w3.org>
Link: http://www.w3.org/2013/03/21-aapi-minutes.html
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[1]W3C
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WAI PF UAIG Weekly Teleconference
21 Mar 2013
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Mar/0046.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2013/03/21-aapi-irc
Attendees
Present
Cynthia_Shelly, Joseph_Scheuhammer, David_Bolter,
[Mozilla]
Regrets
Chair
Joseph_Scheuhammer
Scribe
clown
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]ACTION-1175
2. [6]action-1183
3. [7]issue-550
4. [8]action-1152?
5. [9]document freeze
6. [10]Bugzilla 19772
7. [11]action-1157?
* [12]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group
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<trackbot> Date: 21 March 2013
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<davidb> \o/
<scribe> agenda:
[13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Mar/0046.
html
[13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Mar/0046.html
ACTION-1175
ACTION-1175?
<trackbot> ACTION-1175 -- David Bolter to status of
ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT in MSAA/IA2 column for role=heading -- due
2013-03-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[14]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1175
[14] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1175
<cyns> hi
action-1175?
<trackbot> ACTION-1175 -- David Bolter to status of
ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT in MSAA/IA2 column for role=heading -- due
2013-03-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[15]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1175
[15] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1175
DB: these are compatible: ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT means the role is
exposed as a text string.
... let me retract that. I was thinking of a different enum.
... can we change it to "heading"?
JS: depends on whether IE agrees — we want interoperability.
DB: in some ways it doesn't matter, since ATs should be using
the IA2 role.
JS: why not drop the MSAA part entirely?
<davidb> (fine with me)
CS: what if an AT isn't looking at IA2 information.
<scribe> ACTION: Cynthia to look into UIA Express and UIA
mappings for role=heading to check for heading paragraph style.
[recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2013/03/21-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-1185 - Look into UIA Express and UIA
mappings for role=heading to check for heading paragraph style.
[on Cynthia Shelly - due 2013-03-28].
JS: so what about FF?
DB/CS: we shouldn't remove the MSAA role for graceful
degradation.
<davidb> i updated the action.
JS: time frame?
DB: I need to discuss with one team member, and then I can give
a ETA.
action-1183
action-1183>
<trackbot> ACTION-1183 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to check UAIG for
mapping a listbox to a menu when in a combobox. Also, fix this
in test case 771 to reflect change. -- due 2013-03-25 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[17]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1183
[17] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1183
[18]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_role_
table
[18] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_role_table
[19]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit/771
[19] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit/771
DB: we have a note in our code that it has role menu on ATK.
CS: I think it's just a paste error.
DB: we probably do it for IA2 — let me look at our tests.
... I can't find it that way. No test for it.
JS: I could make a test file, and test IA2.
CS: If you make a test file, and test it for IA2 and AT-SPI,
then send us a link.
issue-550
issue-550?
<trackbot> ISSUE-550 -- Come up with a date to stop editing
UAIG in preparation for the next Last Call Draft -- open
<trackbot> [20]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/550
[20] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/550
action-851?
<trackbot> ACTION-851 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to look through APG
design patterns re: menus for examples that relate to UAIG
5.8.4 -- due 2013-02-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[21]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/851
[21] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/851
CS: mark it as at-risk, and that allows us to remove it without
going to last call.
[22]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit/771
[22] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit/771
[23]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_event
s_menus
[23] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_menus
CS: the overall question is: are ATs relying on these events?
JS: also, the events one sees depends on the DHTML itself.
... I will bring this up with a neon sign at Mon's PF call.
CS: I also want feedback from the IE team.
DB: I've got to reach out to some people to find out why we
fire these events.
CS: can you add an editorial note that we are considering
removing these events.
JS: I will do that by end of day, and send an email to cynthia
and david.
action-1152?
action-1152?
<trackbot> ACTION-1152 -- Cynthia Shelly to investigate whether
a pure UIA implementation does not have a description field --
due 2013-01-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[24]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1152
[24] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1152
issue-551?
<trackbot> ISSUE-551 -- When UAIG enters CR, we need to ask
Director if we have to have 2 mappings to all platforms, or
just demonstrate implementability of mapping via a sample and
say all the mappings are therefore defined implementable --
open
<trackbot> [25]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/551
[25] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/551
CS: I need to discuss with others. I will prioritize that.
JS: the problem is: if the desription has display:none, what is
the pointer pointing to?
CS: to null, perhaps. But, probably in the text field.
... but I will double check.
document freeze
CS: can we get this done by next week?
JS: depends on how much time I have to do the last minute
edits.
CS: Let's look at david's.
Bugzilla 19772
[26]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19772#c5
[26] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19772#c5
DB/CS/JS: Lots of discussion about the bug to decipher it.
DB: alex wants the text put back into the UIA express column.
CS: why does it matter?
DB: interoperability: we have landed some UIA express stuff.
... I need to reach out to alex and get more information.
... and the person who did the work.
action-1157?
action-1157?
<trackbot> ACTION-1157 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to expose proper
mapping of aria-atomic for MSAA/IAccessible2 -- due 2013-02-11
-- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot>
[27]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1157
[27] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1157
[28]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/states_and_properties#aria-at
omic
[28] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/states_and_properties#aria-atomic
DB: it is information to the AT.
... if we collapse and not expose anything when false, then we
are taking away a little information.
... I think it's there for when the code is there, and we don't
do the check.
... what do you think?
JS: it's a lot of information to add to the a11y tree.
... But, if the ATs gains something for it being there
explicitly, then add it.
davidb, you could type your thoughts.
<davidb> I think you need to leave this one with me as well. I
think I'd like to consider fixing in FF.
<davidb> (or not)
davidb, can you resolve it by next week?
<davidb> Ask me Monday
so we can "document freeze"?
<davidb> which day?
we want document freeze by next Fri.
<davidb> ok i think so
<davidb> otherwise i'll help decide what to do with doc
that's good friday.
<davidb> right, still ok.
I suggest Apr 2 as document freeze day.
<davidb> +1
so: I want all the edits "on my desk" by the end of the next
meeting (Mar 28)
that's not a smiley. Mar 28.
<davidb> ok sir
<davidb> sounds like a plan
thanks you all
we are done.
<davidb> and you
<davidb> ciao
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Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Cynthia to look into UIA Express and UIA mappings
for role=heading to check for heading paragraph style.
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[29]http://www.w3.org/2013/03/21-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
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