Minutes: [aapi] UAI TF Meeting Agenda 21 Mar 2013

Link: http://www.w3.org/2013/03/21-aapi-minutes.html

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                    WAI PF UAIG Weekly Teleconference
                               21 Mar 2013

    [2]Agenda

       [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Mar/0046.html

    See also: [3]IRC log

       [3] http://www.w3.org/2013/03/21-aapi-irc

Attendees

    Present
           Cynthia_Shelly, Joseph_Scheuhammer, David_Bolter,
           [Mozilla]

    Regrets
    Chair
           Joseph_Scheuhammer

    Scribe
           clown

Contents

      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]ACTION-1175
          2. [6]action-1183
          3. [7]issue-550
          4. [8]action-1152?
          5. [9]document freeze
          6. [10]Bugzilla 19772
          7. [11]action-1157?
      * [12]Summary of Action Items
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    <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group
    Teleconference

    <trackbot> Date: 21 March 2013

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    <davidb> \o/

    <scribe> agenda:
    [13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Mar/0046.
    html

      [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Mar/0046.html

ACTION-1175

    ACTION-1175?

    <trackbot> ACTION-1175 -- David Bolter to status of
    ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT in MSAA/IA2 column for role=heading -- due
    2013-03-18 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [14]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1175

      [14] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1175

    <cyns> hi

    action-1175?

    <trackbot> ACTION-1175 -- David Bolter to status of
    ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT in MSAA/IA2 column for role=heading -- due
    2013-03-18 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [15]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1175

      [15] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1175

    DB: these are compatible: ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT means the role is
    exposed as a text string.
    ... let me retract that. I was thinking of a different enum.
    ... can we change it to "heading"?

    JS: depends on whether IE agrees — we want interoperability.

    DB: in some ways it doesn't matter, since ATs should be using
    the IA2 role.

    JS: why not drop the MSAA part entirely?

    <davidb> (fine with me)

    CS: what if an AT isn't looking at IA2 information.

    <scribe> ACTION: Cynthia to look into UIA Express and UIA
    mappings for role=heading to check for heading paragraph style.
    [recorded in
    [16]http://www.w3.org/2013/03/21-aapi-minutes.html#action01]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-1185 - Look into UIA Express and UIA
    mappings for role=heading to check for heading paragraph style.
    [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2013-03-28].

    JS: so what about FF?

    DB/CS: we shouldn't remove the MSAA role for graceful
    degradation.

    <davidb> i updated the action.

    JS: time frame?

    DB: I need to discuss with one team member, and then I can give
    a ETA.

action-1183

    action-1183>

    <trackbot> ACTION-1183 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to check UAIG for
    mapping a listbox to a menu when in a combobox. Also, fix this
    in test case 771 to reflect change. -- due 2013-03-25 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [17]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1183

      [17] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1183

    [18]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_role_
    table

      [18] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_role_table

    [19]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit/771

      [19] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit/771

    DB: we have a note in our code that it has role menu on ATK.

    CS: I think it's just a paste error.

    DB: we probably do it for IA2 — let me look at our tests.
    ... I can't find it that way. No test for it.

    JS: I could make a test file, and test IA2.

    CS: If you make a test file, and test it for IA2 and AT-SPI,
    then send us a link.

issue-550

    issue-550?

    <trackbot> ISSUE-550 -- Come up with a date to stop editing
    UAIG in preparation for the next Last Call Draft -- open

    <trackbot> [20]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/550

      [20] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/550

    action-851?

    <trackbot> ACTION-851 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to look through APG
    design patterns re: menus for examples that relate to UAIG
    5.8.4 -- due 2013-02-01 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [21]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/851

      [21] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/851

    CS: mark it as at-risk, and that allows us to remove it without
    going to last call.

    [22]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit/771

      [22] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit/771

    [23]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_event
    s_menus

      [23] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_menus

    CS: the overall question is: are ATs relying on these events?

    JS: also, the events one sees depends on the DHTML itself.
    ... I will bring this up with a neon sign at Mon's PF call.

    CS: I also want feedback from the IE team.

    DB: I've got to reach out to some people to find out why we
    fire these events.

    CS: can you add an editorial note that we are considering
    removing these events.

    JS: I will do that by end of day, and send an email to cynthia
    and david.

action-1152?

    action-1152?

    <trackbot> ACTION-1152 -- Cynthia Shelly to investigate whether
    a pure UIA implementation does not have a description field --
    due 2013-01-28 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [24]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1152

      [24] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1152

    issue-551?

    <trackbot> ISSUE-551 -- When UAIG enters CR, we need to ask
    Director if we have to have 2 mappings to all platforms, or
    just demonstrate implementability of mapping via a sample and
    say all the mappings are therefore defined implementable --
    open

    <trackbot> [25]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/551

      [25] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/551

    CS: I need to discuss with others. I will prioritize that.

    JS: the problem is: if the desription has display:none, what is
    the pointer pointing to?

    CS: to null, perhaps. But, probably in the text field.
    ... but I will double check.

document freeze

    CS: can we get this done by next week?

    JS: depends on how much time I have to do the last minute
    edits.

    CS: Let's look at david's.

Bugzilla 19772

    [26]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19772#c5

      [26] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19772#c5

    DB/CS/JS: Lots of discussion about the bug to decipher it.

    DB: alex wants the text put back into the UIA express column.

    CS: why does it matter?

    DB: interoperability: we have landed some UIA express stuff.
    ... I need to reach out to alex and get more information.
    ... and the person who did the work.

action-1157?

    action-1157?

    <trackbot> ACTION-1157 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to expose proper
    mapping of aria-atomic for MSAA/IAccessible2 -- due 2013-02-11
    -- PENDINGREVIEW

    <trackbot>
    [27]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1157

      [27] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1157

    [28]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/states_and_properties#aria-at
    omic

      [28] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/states_and_properties#aria-atomic

    DB: it is information to the AT.
    ... if we collapse and not expose anything when false, then we
    are taking away a little information.
    ... I think it's there for when the code is there, and we don't
    do the check.
    ... what do you think?

    JS: it's a lot of information to add to the a11y tree.
    ... But, if the ATs gains something for it being there
    explicitly, then add it.

    davidb, you could type your thoughts.

    <davidb> I think you need to leave this one with me as well. I
    think I'd like to consider fixing in FF.

    <davidb> (or not)

    davidb, can you resolve it by next week?

    <davidb> Ask me Monday

    so we can "document freeze"?

    <davidb> which day?

    we want document freeze by next Fri.

    <davidb> ok i think so

    <davidb> otherwise i'll help decide what to do with doc

    that's good friday.

    <davidb> right, still ok.

    I suggest Apr 2 as document freeze day.

    <davidb> +1

    so: I want all the edits "on my desk" by the end of the next
    meeting (Mar 28)

    that's not a smiley. Mar 28.

    <davidb> ok sir

    <davidb> sounds like a plan

    thanks you all

    we are done.

    <davidb> and you

    <davidb> ciao

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Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: Cynthia to look into UIA Express and UIA mappings
    for role=heading to check for heading paragraph style.
    [recorded in
    [29]http://www.w3.org/2013/03/21-aapi-minutes.html#action01]

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