Re: Handling of landmark roles on native markup

Steve, I know that. But I don't have answers. Something just goes wrong.
Alex.

On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:06 PM, Steve Faulkner
<faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Alex,
>
> I am not going to lose any sleep over it :-)
>
> regards
> Steve
>
>
> On 20 March 2012 12:58, Alexander Surkov <surkov.alexander@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, Steve. I realize how much the cross browser consistence means for
>> the web author. But replacing the implementation existed for years on
>> the web to a new one without clear understanding of new approach
>> benefits is not easy decision. Taking into account this is not single
>> case when Firefox implementation was made incorrect by spec changes
>> it's rather wider issue than "fix this item" problem.
>>
>> Alex.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Steve Faulkner
>> <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Alex,
>> >
>> > While I do see the utility in such an approach, I have had experience of
>> > a
>> > client using this approach and due to it not working across browsers it
>> > has
>> > the potential to have a detrimental effect upon users of browsers other
>> > than
>> > Firefox.
>> >
>> > For that reason I would like to see firefox roll back its implementation
>> > and
>> > the behaviour get standradized and agreed upon.
>> >
>> > regards
>> > Steve
>> >
>> >
>> > On 20 March 2012 11:27, Alexander Surkov <surkov.alexander@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> Old wording makes more sense for me.
>> >> >
>> >> > Are you talking about a "wording" (how something is phrased) or about
>> >> > a different behavior (what the wording actually means)? If the later,
>> >> > would you be able to tease out why it makes more sense?
>> >>
>> >> I meant behavior, sorry for being unclear.
>> >>
>> >> Aaron and Victor provided good examples for ARIA landmarks. Landmarks
>> >> were special kinds of roles, they didn't override native markup
>> >> semantic but rather were used to add a new semantic. This behavior was
>> >> used on the web and in Gecko. For example HTML table@role="main" was
>> >> exposed to AT as a landmark table. Now new behavior requires us to
>> >> expose it as a landmark accessible with no role. I don't see a good
>> >> reason of this.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks.
>> >> Alex.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
>> >> <bhawkeslewis@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> >> > On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Alexander Surkov
>> >> > <surkov.alexander@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Old wording makes more sense for me.
>> >> >
>> >> > Are you talking about a "wording" (how something is phrased) or about
>> >> > a different behavior (what the wording actually means)? If the later,
>> >> > would you be able to tease out why it makes more sense?
>> >> >
>> >> >> ARIA is restricted to external input, many discussions happens on
>> >> >> phone calls which is not friendly to time zones. As Firefox a11y
>> >> >> developer I was never asked or even told about changes. Thus often I
>> >> >> don't have a chance to provide feedback. Sometimes I have a feeling
>> >> >> that Firefox is no longer part of ARIA progress.
>> >> >
>> >> > I can appreciate that interfacing with PFWG must be fairly
>> >> > frustrating
>> >> > for implementors; it's fairly frustrating for some of us in other WGs
>> >> > too.
>> >> >
>> >> > Note you can always provide formal feedback on a Public Working Draft
>> >> > via:
>> >> >
>> >> >    public-pfwg-comments@w3.org
>> >> >
>> >> > Sadly there doesn't seem to be any commitment to process such
>> >> > comments
>> >> > outside of allocated comment periods, and there doesn't seem to be
>> >> > any
>> >> > official channel for commenting on Editorial Drafts. The comment
>> >> > period for ARIA 1.0 Candidate Recommendation ended more than a year
>> >> > ago (February 2011).
>> >> >
>> >> > See also: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/comments/instructions
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > with regards
>> >
>> > Steve Faulkner
>> > Technical Director - TPG
>> >
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