- From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
- Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 15:02:46 +0000
- To: Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>, Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com>, W3C WAI-XTECH <wai-xtech@w3.org>, HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
- Cc: "Michael(tm) Smith" <mike@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CA+ri+V=GDjPFB_naZuNR38Yc-nui982FYc1a+hMsVjEnoEd3fg@mail.gmail.com>
Hi Janina, you wrote: "My druthers would be to accept longdesc right away and call it obsolete but conforming. That clearly signals that a replacement is expected while providing needed functionality right away--the same it has been available since html 4. As I said, this is my preference. Others may have other views." I find that to be an acceptable compromise. regards stevef On 7 March 2012 22:28, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote: > Leif Halvard Silli writes: > > > > I subsequently proposed that we write a separate specification for > > @aria-describedAT/@longdesc. So rather than drop it, I suggest to run > > with it. > > > > Could we do that? We would have to make a change proposal which > > includes - or eventually promises [I'm not sure what the chairs woudl > > want] - a specification of '@aria-describedAT/@longdesc'. > > > > I see 2-3 options of such a mini-spec - but there could be more: > > > > * Either the spec describes aria-describedAT - and obsoletes @longdesc > > > > * Or the spec describes aria-describedAT - and says that @longdesc can > > be used, whenever aria-describedAT is used as well. > > > > * Or we write a spec which defines @longdesc as an ARIA attribute - to > > be used as you have envisioned @aria-descrbedAT. [Thus, we would drop > > aria-descrbedat and only have @longdesc.] > > -- > ARIA will do DescribedAT. When we do we will consider ramifications > across multiple markup environments, as we have always done, e.g. in a > separate response to Silvia Pfeiffer I noted that we're considering use > cases and requirements from Epub. Another example, we're interested in > ARIA over SVG. > > > So, writing an ARIA-DescribedAT should be considered an option to submit > to PF. That's certainly acceptable. > > However, this wouldn't produce a solution today, or even next month, and > a11y has been waiting a long time. > > My druthers would be to accept longdesc right away and call it obsolete > but conforming. That clearly signals that a replacement is expected > while providing needed functionality right away--the same it has been > available since html 4. As I said, this is my > preference. Others may have other views. > > Lastly, I would agree that HTML could also craft a mechanism to serve > the need in a superior fashion. There's nothing wrong in doing that, but > that would take some time, certainly. Too bad so much time has been > wasted trying to make describedby fit where it just wasn't going to fit. > And, every day that passes with longdesc shoved aside is another day > when this core requirement is unmet in the spec. As previously noted, it > hasn't been met for half a decade. That's a long time especially for a > "living" specification that supposedly so responsive to needs. > > I know you're trying to find a solution, Leif. I'm doing my best to be > as helpful as I can. > > Janina > > > > Leif Halvard Silli > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 > sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net > > Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org > Linux Foundation http://a11y.org > > Chair, Protocols & Formats > Web Accessibility Initiative http://www.w3.org/wai/pf > World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) > > > -- with regards Steve Faulkner Technical Director - TPG www.paciellogroup.com | www.HTML5accessibility.com | www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives - dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/ Web Accessibility Toolbar - www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
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