- From: Jonas Sicking <jonas@sicking.cc>
- Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 17:12:17 -0700
- To: John Foliot <jfoliot@stanford.edu>
- Cc: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>, Joshue O Connor <joshue.oconnor@cfit.ie>, HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>, HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>, W3C WAI-XTECH <wai-xtech@w3.org>, Barry McMullin <barry.mcmullin@dcu.ie>, Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 5:00 PM, John Foliot <jfoliot@stanford.edu> wrote: > Jonas Sicking wrote: >> >> Note that my example has nothing media-specific in it. AT tool users >> also do not see the content when it's read by a screen reader when the >> reader is reading the normal flow of the page. > > One of the things that seems to be missing here is that the user of the > screen reader must have a mechanism to read or ignore that alternative > text: it's a user choice thing. So how does the screen reader go from > "reading the normal flow of the page" to "taking a side trip to go read > what this otherwise hidden stuff is about"? And given that this is now > (again) apparently being targeted to screen readers only, what of those > users who aren't blind that need the expanded text as well? How do they > access content that is otherwise not in the normal flow? Is there a > toggling mechanism for them? Discovery of the alternative text is a big > part of the required functionality. I've never used AT tools so I can't answer more specifically than "The same way that the screen reader would jump to a @longdesc page, or jump to the part of the page pointed to by @aria-describedby". This mechanism doesn't need to be specific to AT users for what it's worth. A browser for seeing users can expose this description in a similar way that it exposes the link to @longdesc pages. However I'm not sure that the @longdesc description is very fruitful. I saw a trivial answer to one of the main concerns raised in the beginning of this thread. I don't expect that it will change the fact that a Formal Objection will be pursued or that the chair decision will be appealed. So I'll just let those processes carry on. The discussion about @hidden is a separate one though, but I'll pursue that in a bug. / Jonas
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