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Re: [html4all] HTML5 Alternative Text, and Authoring Tools

From: David Poehlman <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 07:29:28 -0400
Message-ID: <4B634E22D8D9423DA317188D9F509A35@HANDS>
To: "W3C WAI-XTECH" <wai-xtech@w3.org>, "Christophe Strobbe" <christophe.strobbe@esat.kuleuven.be>

So we just close the loop hole by removing when possible.  I see no problem. 
If I want a haircut, I go to a barber, if I want an oil job, I go to Jiffy 
lube.  Unless the htmlwg wants to make use of the expertise found in the WAI 
groups and those say it is not always possible, we follow the barber.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christophe Strobbe" <christophe.strobbe@esat.kuleuven.be>
To: "W3C WAI-XTECH" <wai-xtech@w3.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: [html4all] HTML5 Alternative Text, and Authoring Tools

At 12:45 8/05/2008, David Poehlman wrote:

>it's always possible <g>

The trouble is that many accessibility experts agree that it is
always possible, while the HTML 5 editors claim it isn't. If experts
can't agree on it, we can't expect outsiders to get it right. That
causes a loophole in the specification.

Best regards,


>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Christophe Strobbe" <christophe.strobbe@esat.kuleuven.be>
>To: "W3C WAI-XTECH" <wai-xtech@w3.org>
>Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 6:21 AM
>Subject: Re: [html4all] HTML5 Alternative Text, and Authoring Tools
>At 15:01 2/05/2008, Smylers wrote:
> >(...)
> >However, for all sites which are currently valid HTML 4 -- that is, they
> >provide genuine alt text -- the requirements are exactly the same in
> >HTML 5; that alt text is still mandatory.  There is no option for the
> >author to omit it.
>There is a loophole in the requirements. The spec says:
>"When it is possible for alternative text to be provided, (...), text
>that conveys can serve as a substitute for the image must be given as
>the contents of the alt attribute."
>"When it is possible" is too subjective and I doubt that it meets W3C
>QA guidelines, as I explained at
>Best regards,

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