- From: David Bolter <david.bolter@utoronto.ca>
- Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 11:31:15 -0500
- To: "Schnabel, Stefan" <stefan.schnabel@sap.com>
- CC: Jon Gunderson <jongund@uiuc.edu>, Thomas.Wlodkowski@corp.aol.com, Becky Gibson <Becky_Gibson@notesdev.ibm.com>, wai-xtech@w3.org
An aria-closable seems reasonable. I can't remember past discussions about this and why it might not have been included... ? D Schnabel, Stefan wrote: > Agree. So do we need a aria-closable property? Or can we use any of the existing aria properties for that? > > Stefan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Gunderson [mailto:jongund@uiuc.edu] > Sent: Montag, 3. März 2008 15:33 > To: Schnabel, Stefan; Wlodkowski, Thomas; Becky Gibson; wai-xtech@w3.org > Subject: RE: closing a Tab? > > We need to have some awareness of the closability to a tab, like a popup context menu. I am not sure a tooltip is the best way to do this. > > Jon > > > ---- Original message ---- > >> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:58:31 +0100 >> From: "Schnabel, Stefan" <stefan.schnabel@sap.com> >> Subject: RE: closing a Tab? >> To: "Wlodkowski, Thomas" <Thomas.Wlodkowski@corp.aol.com>, "Jon Gunderson" <jongund@uiuc.edu>, "Becky Gibson" <Becky_Gibson@notesdev.ibm.com>, <wai-xtech@w3.org> >> >> Tom, >> >> That's why we're doing Best Practices, don't we? >> >> Think of FireFox. Having 10 Tabs open and arrow keying with additional >> focusing of the closing cross icon will result in a keyhitcount of 18 to >> navigate the tabs instead of 9. >> >> And don't tell me Firefox isn't a good example :) (just kidding) >> >> So currently we solve the issue for Tabs in our Web Dynpro frameworks >> with memorizing special keys in the tab tooltip in cases where it does >> make sense. >> >> - Stefan >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Wlodkowski, Thomas [mailto:Thomas.Wlodkowski@corp.aol.com] >> Sent: Freitag, 29. Februar 2008 18:25 >> To: Schnabel, Stefan; Jon Gunderson; Becky Gibson; wai-xtech@w3.org >> Subject: RE: closing a Tab? >> >> I also think the icon attached to the tab or in the tab order may also >> be helpful. We need to consider cognitive load when talking about >> keyboard shortcuts. Too many web and software apps to track/memorize. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wai-xtech-request@w3.org [mailto:wai-xtech-request@w3.org] On >> Behalf Of Schnabel, Stefan >> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 11:54 AM >> To: Jon Gunderson; Becky Gibson; wai-xtech@w3.org >> Subject: RE: closing a Tab? >> >> >> Jon, >> >> better to have a standardized hotkey for closing tab. As a concept we >> tend to keep tab chains short. >> >> Regards >> Stefan >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wai-xtech-request@w3.org [mailto:wai-xtech-request@w3.org] On >> Behalf Of Jon Gunderson >> Sent: Freitag, 29. Februar 2008 17:32 >> To: Becky Gibson; wai-xtech@w3.org >> Subject: Re: closing a Tab? >> >> >> Why can't the close icon be in tab order and the icon can also be part >> of the label for the tab. >> >> Jon >> >> >> ---- Original message ---- >> >>> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:35:21 -0500 >>> From: "Becky Gibson" <Becky_Gibson@notesdev.ibm.com> >>> Subject: Re: closing a Tab? >>> To: wai-xtech@w3.org >>> >>> >>> I implemented a context menu for closable tabs in the dojo tab >>> >> container. >> >>> See the second tab panel example on [1]. The tabs with title "first" >>> >> and >> >>> "third" are closable. Pressing shift-F10 with focus on these tabs will >>> bring up a context menu with "close". If a tab is closable, pressing >>> >> the >> >>> delete key with focus on the title will delete the tab. I thought this >>> >> is >> >>> what the style guide group had decided upon? Although it would be nice >>> >> if >> >>> there was a way to indicate to the screen reader user that a tab (or >>> >> any >> >>> other item) was deletable without having the use the shift-F10 >>> >> discovery >> >>> mechanism. >>> >>> I based my implementation decision on the DHTML Style Guide June 29, >>> >> 2007 >> >>> meeting minutes [2]: >>> TW: options other than DELETE - CTRL+F4 a possibility, have >>> to get comments on that - what we are saying is context menu and >>> >> keyboard >> >>> shortcut combo fine - great if had property so didn't have to use >>> >> context >> >>> menu, but maybe that's phase 2 >>> So perhaps we made a decision but just didn't record it in the style >>> guide? >>> [1] >>> http://archive.dojotoolkit.org/nightly/dojotoolkit/dijit/tests/layout/t >>> >> est_TabContainer.html >> >>> [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2007Jun/0130.html >>> >>> Becky Gibson >>> Web Accessibility Architect >>> >>> IBM Emerging Internet Technologies >>> 5 Technology Park Drive >>> Westford, MA 01886 >>> Voice: 978 399-6101; t/l 333-6101 >>> Email: gibsonb@us.ibm.com >>> blog: WebA11y >>> >>> >>> wai-xtech-request@w3.org wrote on 02/28/2008 03:06:06 PM: >>> >>> >>>> In the Best Practices we have a dangling question: >>>> >>>> <quote >>>> cite="http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/#TabPanel"> >>>> >>>> Unresolved at time of port from DHTML wiki: How to indicate that a >>>> tab panel can be deleted? Visually a close icon can be provided in >>>> the upper right hand corner of the tab which the user can click on to >>>> >>>> delete the tab panel. Putting this close icon in the navigation >>>> sequence would make extra navigation. Is there some way to indicate >>>> to a non-visual user that a tab panel can be deleted with a defined >>>> keystroke? Perhaps we can capture ctrl-w (the key used in Firefox and >>>> >>>> IE 7) to close a tab? T * here is still the issue of the user knowing >>>> >>>> that the tab is closable or not. Another option is to provide a >>>> context menu. With focus on the tab title the user would press shift- >>>> >>>> F10 to invoke a context menu - the context menu would have the close >>>> option. In both of these cases if the tab can not be closed, it still >>>> >>>> needs to capture the keystroke so that it doesn't get bubbled up and >>>> handled by the browser. Retrieved from "http://www.weba11y.com/ >>>> styleguide/index.php?title=Tab_Panel" >>>> >>>> </quote> >>>> >>>> Don, >>>> >>>> Could you get this on the agenda for the Style >>>> Guide Group to suggest a preferred user experience? >>>> >>>> Al >>>> >>>> /satisfying ACTION-101 >>>> >>>> PS: I didn't immediately find an answer at >>>> http://dev.aol.com/dhtml_style_guide#tabpanel >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> Jon Gunderson, Ph.D. >> Coordinator Information Technology Accessibility >> Disability Resources and Educational Services >> >> Rehabilitation Education Center >> Room 86 >> 1207 S. Oak Street >> Champaign, Illinois 61821 >> >> Voice: (217) 244-5870 >> >> WWW: http://www.cita.uiuc.edu/ >> WWW: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jongund/www/ >> >> >> >> >> > Jon Gunderson, Ph.D. > Coordinator Information Technology Accessibility > Disability Resources and Educational Services > > Rehabilitation Education Center > Room 86 > 1207 S. Oak Street > Champaign, Illinois 61821 > > Voice: (217) 244-5870 > > WWW: http://www.cita.uiuc.edu/ > WWW: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jongund/www/ > > > >
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