- From: Jon Gunderson <jongund@uiuc.edu>
- Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 08:33:15 -0600 (CST)
- To: "Schnabel, Stefan" <stefan.schnabel@sap.com>, "Wlodkowski, Thomas" <Thomas.Wlodkowski@corp.aol.com>, Becky Gibson <Becky_Gibson@notesdev.ibm.com>, wai-xtech@w3.org
We need to have some awareness of the closability to a tab, like a popup context menu. I am not sure a tooltip is the best way to do this. Jon ---- Original message ---- >Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:58:31 +0100 >From: "Schnabel, Stefan" <stefan.schnabel@sap.com> >Subject: RE: closing a Tab? >To: "Wlodkowski, Thomas" <Thomas.Wlodkowski@corp.aol.com>, "Jon Gunderson" <jongund@uiuc.edu>, "Becky Gibson" <Becky_Gibson@notesdev.ibm.com>, <wai-xtech@w3.org> > >Tom, > >That's why we're doing Best Practices, don't we? > >Think of FireFox. Having 10 Tabs open and arrow keying with additional >focusing of the closing cross icon will result in a keyhitcount of 18 to >navigate the tabs instead of 9. > >And don't tell me Firefox isn't a good example :) (just kidding) > >So currently we solve the issue for Tabs in our Web Dynpro frameworks >with memorizing special keys in the tab tooltip in cases where it does >make sense. > >- Stefan > >-----Original Message----- >From: Wlodkowski, Thomas [mailto:Thomas.Wlodkowski@corp.aol.com] >Sent: Freitag, 29. Februar 2008 18:25 >To: Schnabel, Stefan; Jon Gunderson; Becky Gibson; wai-xtech@w3.org >Subject: RE: closing a Tab? > >I also think the icon attached to the tab or in the tab order may also >be helpful. We need to consider cognitive load when talking about >keyboard shortcuts. Too many web and software apps to track/memorize. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: wai-xtech-request@w3.org [mailto:wai-xtech-request@w3.org] On >Behalf Of Schnabel, Stefan >Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 11:54 AM >To: Jon Gunderson; Becky Gibson; wai-xtech@w3.org >Subject: RE: closing a Tab? > > >Jon, > >better to have a standardized hotkey for closing tab. As a concept we >tend to keep tab chains short. > >Regards >Stefan > > >-----Original Message----- >From: wai-xtech-request@w3.org [mailto:wai-xtech-request@w3.org] On >Behalf Of Jon Gunderson >Sent: Freitag, 29. Februar 2008 17:32 >To: Becky Gibson; wai-xtech@w3.org >Subject: Re: closing a Tab? > > >Why can't the close icon be in tab order and the icon can also be part >of the label for the tab. > >Jon > > >---- Original message ---- >>Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:35:21 -0500 >>From: "Becky Gibson" <Becky_Gibson@notesdev.ibm.com> >>Subject: Re: closing a Tab? >>To: wai-xtech@w3.org >> >> >>I implemented a context menu for closable tabs in the dojo tab >container. >>See the second tab panel example on [1]. The tabs with title "first" >and >>"third" are closable. Pressing shift-F10 with focus on these tabs will >>bring up a context menu with "close". If a tab is closable, pressing >the >>delete key with focus on the title will delete the tab. I thought this >is >>what the style guide group had decided upon? Although it would be nice >if >>there was a way to indicate to the screen reader user that a tab (or >any >>other item) was deletable without having the use the shift-F10 >discovery >>mechanism. >> >>I based my implementation decision on the DHTML Style Guide June 29, >2007 >>meeting minutes [2]: >>TW: options other than DELETE - CTRL+F4 a possibility, have >>to get comments on that - what we are saying is context menu and >keyboard >>shortcut combo fine - great if had property so didn't have to use >context >>menu, but maybe that's phase 2 >>So perhaps we made a decision but just didn't record it in the style >>guide? >>[1] >>http://archive.dojotoolkit.org/nightly/dojotoolkit/dijit/tests/layout/t >est_TabContainer.html >>[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2007Jun/0130.html >> >>Becky Gibson >>Web Accessibility Architect >> >>IBM Emerging Internet Technologies >>5 Technology Park Drive >>Westford, MA 01886 >>Voice: 978 399-6101; t/l 333-6101 >>Email: gibsonb@us.ibm.com >>blog: WebA11y >> >> >>wai-xtech-request@w3.org wrote on 02/28/2008 03:06:06 PM: >> >>> >>> >>> In the Best Practices we have a dangling question: >>> >>> <quote >>> cite="http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/#TabPanel"> >>> >>> Unresolved at time of port from DHTML wiki: How to indicate that a >>> tab panel can be deleted? Visually a close icon can be provided in >>> the upper right hand corner of the tab which the user can click on to > >>> delete the tab panel. Putting this close icon in the navigation >>> sequence would make extra navigation. Is there some way to indicate >>> to a non-visual user that a tab panel can be deleted with a defined >>> keystroke? Perhaps we can capture ctrl-w (the key used in Firefox and > >>> IE 7) to close a tab? T * here is still the issue of the user knowing > >>> that the tab is closable or not. Another option is to provide a >>> context menu. With focus on the tab title the user would press shift- > >>> F10 to invoke a context menu - the context menu would have the close >>> option. In both of these cases if the tab can not be closed, it still > >>> needs to capture the keystroke so that it doesn't get bubbled up and >>> handled by the browser. Retrieved from "http://www.weba11y.com/ >>> styleguide/index.php?title=Tab_Panel" >>> >>> </quote> >>> >>> Don, >>> >>> Could you get this on the agenda for the Style >>> Guide Group to suggest a preferred user experience? >>> >>> Al >>> >>> /satisfying ACTION-101 >>> >>> PS: I didn't immediately find an answer at >>> http://dev.aol.com/dhtml_style_guide#tabpanel >>> >> >> >> >Jon Gunderson, Ph.D. >Coordinator Information Technology Accessibility >Disability Resources and Educational Services > >Rehabilitation Education Center >Room 86 >1207 S. Oak Street >Champaign, Illinois 61821 > >Voice: (217) 244-5870 > >WWW: http://www.cita.uiuc.edu/ >WWW: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jongund/www/ > > > > Jon Gunderson, Ph.D. Coordinator Information Technology Accessibility Disability Resources and Educational Services Rehabilitation Education Center Room 86 1207 S. Oak Street Champaign, Illinois 61821 Voice: (217) 244-5870 WWW: http://www.cita.uiuc.edu/ WWW: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jongund/www/
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