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Re: perpendicular split pane control (3 panes: 1 vertical, 2 horizontal)

From: David Poehlman <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:44:24 -0500
Message-ID: <027e01c86e81$3a9ddd40$0501a8c0@HANDS>
To: "Earl Johnson" <Earl.Johnson@Sun.COM>, <wai-xtech@w3.org>
Cc: <wai-xtech@w3.org>

in instances where they are not reserved for something else, there is no 
issue.  Keystrokes can snd should be defined but they should not be 
hardbound.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Earl Johnson" <Earl.Johnson@Sun.COM>
To: <wai-xtech@w3.org>
Cc: <wai-xtech@w3.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: perpendicular split pane control (3 panes: 1 vertical, 2 
horizontal)



Hi All;

The "standard" in Java/Swing and Microsoft's UI toolkit [and
IBM's guidelines] appears to be pressing the F6 moves between
panes and pressing F8 gives focus to the Splitter Bar itself.
 From there, the user interacts with the up-down, left-right
movement depending on whether the splitter bar is an up-down or
left-right type of splitter.

A question for the list: Can't these key sequences be used? If
they can't, why?

Earl

David Poehlman wrote:

> Bringing in my voiceover experience, we adjust the splitter with the
> keyboard.  It does not tell us much except that we are moving it up or 
> down
> or left or right depending on the orientation of the splitter.  most of us
> prefer in mail that the preview splitter close the preview to take it off
> the scren.  one reason for this is that as we keyboard our way through
> message lists, each message touched turns to read which we do not want.
> anothe rreason is that many of us feel that having the preview of the
> message on the screen is too much clutter and not worth the sacrifice of
> having to press enter to open a message which results from removing it.
>
> I hope this helps some.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <oedipus@hicom.net>
> To: <wai-xtech@w3.org>
> Cc: "Becky Gibson" <gibsonb@us.ibm.com>; "Tim Boland"
> <frederick.boland@nist.gov>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:48 AM
> Subject: perpendicular split pane control (3 panes: 1 vertical, 2
> horizontal)
>
>
>
> at yesterday's ARIA workgroup call, we discussed the issue of "Split Pane
> control implementation"
>
> at first, split pane control was addressed as a binary choice:
>
> 1. expand/contract left-right, or
> 2. expand/contract up-down
>
> i observed that in GUI systems, applications, such as GUI FTP managers,
> email clients, calendaring software, authoring tools, etc. often have 2
> splits - one vertical and another horizontal
>
> al gilman noted that on the mac side of things, that this situation is
> part of the default presentation of applemail -- the left bar has
> folders,
> the top segment of the right column is unfoldable, the bottom pane splits
> horizontally into a preview and message list -- noting that this
> presented
> a viable use case for 3 heirarchies
>
> al elaborated on the applemail example:
>
>      the top thing is not unfoldable. It is a preview pane. The folder
>      listing appears in the top big part of the right hand column, the
>      preview pane contains the preview of message;  It is clear that
>      it is dividing the width into two columns. The second is
>      splitting the right hand column into an upper and lower part
>
> when asked by RichS if i as a blind user would prefer direct control of
> the split pane or have the pane delimiters included in the tab order, i
> replied that in the ideal world, i would leave it to the user to choose --
>
> for some it will be easier to accomplish resizing panes with direct
> control, but some users may prefer or require the resizing widgets to be
> in the tab navigation order...  in the real world, however, direct
> control/acces to the slider outside of normal navigation order is
> probably the best solution...  i asked if this was something which should
> be addressed at the DHTML call today, and so the decision was made to use
> slider for split pane control at the moment, but to discuss the
> ramifications of perpendicular resizing and possible keyboard
> implementation thereof with the DHTML group...
>
> al noted that if we aren't careful, an application may end up pointing at
> 3 things with selection of the first container, and so it was decided to
> add this as an issue for the upcoming PF face2face meetings in venice,
> after soliciting the opinions of the DHTML group
>
> as al summed up the state of the spliter proposal -- one can use slider,
> but what does that mean in terms of keyboard navigation, placement,
> etc.
>
> would it be possible to discuss this at today's meeting?
>
> thank you and apologies for the short notice,
> gregory.
>
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