- From: David Poehlman <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>
- Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:44:24 -0500
- To: "Earl Johnson" <Earl.Johnson@Sun.COM>, <wai-xtech@w3.org>
- Cc: <wai-xtech@w3.org>
in instances where they are not reserved for something else, there is no issue. Keystrokes can snd should be defined but they should not be hardbound. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earl Johnson" <Earl.Johnson@Sun.COM> To: <wai-xtech@w3.org> Cc: <wai-xtech@w3.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 3:25 PM Subject: Re: perpendicular split pane control (3 panes: 1 vertical, 2 horizontal) Hi All; The "standard" in Java/Swing and Microsoft's UI toolkit [and IBM's guidelines] appears to be pressing the F6 moves between panes and pressing F8 gives focus to the Splitter Bar itself. From there, the user interacts with the up-down, left-right movement depending on whether the splitter bar is an up-down or left-right type of splitter. A question for the list: Can't these key sequences be used? If they can't, why? Earl David Poehlman wrote: > Bringing in my voiceover experience, we adjust the splitter with the > keyboard. It does not tell us much except that we are moving it up or > down > or left or right depending on the orientation of the splitter. most of us > prefer in mail that the preview splitter close the preview to take it off > the scren. one reason for this is that as we keyboard our way through > message lists, each message touched turns to read which we do not want. > anothe rreason is that many of us feel that having the preview of the > message on the screen is too much clutter and not worth the sacrifice of > having to press enter to open a message which results from removing it. > > I hope this helps some. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <oedipus@hicom.net> > To: <wai-xtech@w3.org> > Cc: "Becky Gibson" <gibsonb@us.ibm.com>; "Tim Boland" > <frederick.boland@nist.gov> > Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 9:48 AM > Subject: perpendicular split pane control (3 panes: 1 vertical, 2 > horizontal) > > > > at yesterday's ARIA workgroup call, we discussed the issue of "Split Pane > control implementation" > > at first, split pane control was addressed as a binary choice: > > 1. expand/contract left-right, or > 2. expand/contract up-down > > i observed that in GUI systems, applications, such as GUI FTP managers, > email clients, calendaring software, authoring tools, etc. often have 2 > splits - one vertical and another horizontal > > al gilman noted that on the mac side of things, that this situation is > part of the default presentation of applemail -- the left bar has > folders, > the top segment of the right column is unfoldable, the bottom pane splits > horizontally into a preview and message list -- noting that this > presented > a viable use case for 3 heirarchies > > al elaborated on the applemail example: > > the top thing is not unfoldable. It is a preview pane. The folder > listing appears in the top big part of the right hand column, the > preview pane contains the preview of message; It is clear that > it is dividing the width into two columns. The second is > splitting the right hand column into an upper and lower part > > when asked by RichS if i as a blind user would prefer direct control of > the split pane or have the pane delimiters included in the tab order, i > replied that in the ideal world, i would leave it to the user to choose -- > > for some it will be easier to accomplish resizing panes with direct > control, but some users may prefer or require the resizing widgets to be > in the tab navigation order... in the real world, however, direct > control/acces to the slider outside of normal navigation order is > probably the best solution... i asked if this was something which should > be addressed at the DHTML call today, and so the decision was made to use > slider for split pane control at the moment, but to discuss the > ramifications of perpendicular resizing and possible keyboard > implementation thereof with the DHTML group... > > al noted that if we aren't careful, an application may end up pointing at > 3 things with selection of the first container, and so it was decided to > add this as an issue for the upcoming PF face2face meetings in venice, > after soliciting the opinions of the DHTML group > > as al summed up the state of the spliter proposal -- one can use slider, > but what does that mean in terms of keyboard navigation, placement, > etc. > > would it be possible to discuss this at today's meeting? > > thank you and apologies for the short notice, > gregory. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, > as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them > with others. -- Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_ > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Gregory J. Rosmaita, oedipus@hicom.net > Camera Obscura: http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/index.html > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >
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