- From: David Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net>
- Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2008 12:20:30 -0500
- To: "Al Gilman" <Alfred.S.Gilman@IEEE.org>, <wai-xtech@w3.org>
This gets my vote but I've changes inserted with dp: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Gilman" <Alfred.S.Gilman@IEEE.org> To: <wai-xtech@w3.org> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: DRAFT response Re[4]: Request for PFWG WAI review of Omitting alt Attribute for Critical Content <note class="inDraft onProcess"> Earlier discussion on this point can be reviewed at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2007Oct/thread.html#msg44 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2007Nov/thread.html#msg12 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2007Nov/thread.html#msg47 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2007Nov/thread.html#msg50 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2008Feb/thread.html#msg0 Please comment on this on the XTECH list. PFWG could reach consensus on some variant of this statement as early as Wednesday, 6 February or it could take longer. I suggest that we should let this message go with the narrow topic of "is @alt for critical content required?" and deal with the issues such as - machine-recognizable associations between media objects and mainline text - new reserved values for @alt .. separately Al </note> The current TR draft for HTML5 contains the following language: <quote cite="http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-html5-20080122/#alt"> A key part of the content that doesn't have an obvious textual alternative In certain rare cases, the image is simply a critical part of the content, and there might even be no alternative text available. This could be the case, for instance, in a photo gallery, where a user has uploaded 3000 photos from a vacation trip, without providing any descriptions of the images. The images are the whole point of the pages containing them. In such cases, the alt attribute may be omitted, but the alt attribute should be included, with a useful value, if at all possible. If an image is a key part of the content, the alt attribute must not be specified with an empty value. </quote> <summary> 1. By the principles, HTML5 wants to support accessibility 2. By their charters, WAI groups (here WCAG) are the go-to experts in matters of accessibility 3. WCAG requires @alt (WCAG1) or the function that in HTML4 is provided by @alt (WCAG2) [editorial note -- add links] 4. By the principles, if it dp: I think: ain't broke, don't fix it. 5. Conclusion: barring the introduction of three fresh good reasons for a change, the failure of the HTML5 draft to make @alt on <img> an across-the-board requirement (even if sometimes it has the value of "") is a bug. dp: drop this as it is redundant..."Or do you have reasons?" </summary> <background> The applicable provision in the WCAG 1.0 Recommendation is Checkpoint 1.1 <quote cite="http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-TECHS/#tech-text-equivalent"> Provide a text equivalent for every non-text element (e.g., via "alt", "longdesc", or in element content). This includes: images, graphical representations of text (including symbols), image map regions, animations (e.g., animated GIFs), applets and programmatic objects, ascii art, frames, scripts, images used as list bullets, spacers, graphical buttons, sounds (played with or without user interaction), stand-alone audio files, audio tracks of video, and video. [Priority 1] </quote> and in the WCAG 2.0 Last Call draft it is stated thus: <quote dp: Take out one of the h below.cite="hhttp://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#text-equiv-all"> 1.1.1 Non-text Content: All non-text content has a text alternative that presents equivalent information, except for the situations listed below. (Level A) How to Meet 1.1.1 Understanding 1.1.1 Controls, Input: If it is a control or accepts user input, then it has a name that describes its purpose. (See also Guideline 4.1.) Media, Test, Sensory: If it is (1) synchronized media, (2) live audio- only or live video-only content, (3) a test or exercise that must be presented in non-text format, (4) primarily intended to create a specific sensory experience, then text alternatives at least provide descriptive identification of the non-text content , or (5) a media alternative to text that is clearly labeled as such . (For synchronized media, see also Guideline 1.2.) Note: Prerecorded audio-only and video-only files would be covered under Success Criterion 1.1.1, which requires text alternatives that present equivalent information. CAPTCHA: If it is to confirm that content is being accessed by a person rather than a computer, then text alternatives that identify and describe the purpose of the non-text content are provided, and alternative forms of CAPTCHA using output modes for different types of sensory perception are provided to accommodate different disabilities. Decoration, Formatting, Invisible: If it is pure decoration, or used only for visual formatting, or if it is not presented to users, then it is implemented in a way that it can be ignored by assistive technology. </quote> </background> <finding> The language "In such cases, the alt attribute may be omitted," gives the appearance of creating a policy line that is inconsistent with WCAG, whether 1.0 or 2.0. As such, this needs to be changed. HTML WG should re-work the <img> element section to bring it into line as techniques for implementing WCAG 2.0. We say 2.0 because of the strong likelihood that WCAG 2.0 will precede HTML5 to Recommendation status. WCAG WG is chartered to set Accessibility guidelines and HTML WG is not; so HTML5 should be careful to create features that support WCAG and describe their use in ways that conform to WCAG. </finding> Al /self (chair hat off)
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