- From: Al Gilman <Alfred.S.Gilman@IEEE.org>
- Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 13:08:33 -0400
- To: wai-xtech@w3.org
** preface Pretty soon we will have a Wiki up where people can refine ideas about the usage of WAI-ARIA markup. I'll hook to this idea from the Wiki once it's in operation. But there are some long-standing issues around navigation that I've been tasked to frame, and I'm pursuing them here. When I put [navigation] in the Subject line, I'm trying to say that this post fits under the general question "What markup is needed, and how should it be used, to meet the goal of structured navigation represented by UAAG 1.0 Checkpoint 9.9 and WCAG 1.0 checkpoints 12.3 and 12.4." http://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG10/guidelines.html#tech-nav-structure http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-TECHS/#tech-group-information http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-TECHS/#tech-associate-labels ** Implicit grouping in html:dl There are some differences between how the structure defined with <dl>, <dt> and <dd> elements is described in the HTML specification and how it is used in the wild. However, in both cases there is an implied association between a <dd> and the closest <dt> before it. The conventional layout indents the <dd> contents. So the culture treats this as a hierarchy: there are one or more <dd> elements, and the <dt> contents apply to any <dd> elements listed after it. I am only belaboring this because there is no syntactic nesting in this case. If this is hierarchy, it is hierarchy we can't get by the routine parent tracking in the DOM. The <dt> and <dd> elements are both direct children of the <dl> and the <dd> are not children (in the parse tree) of the <dd>. So this is a structure that fails to deliver what we asked for in XAG 2.5, to provide (in the markup) a full containment structure. http://www.w3.org/TR/xag#cp2_5 Here the scoping is implicit from the sequence, not explicit in the element nesting. Recall that ISO HTML attempted to force a full containerization on HTML. This may or may not have contributed to the fact that it was roundly ignored and the world continued approximating W3C HTML as the standard (to the extent that markup is orthodox). So my suspicion is that we are more likely to achieve success, here if we "pave the cowpaths" and treat <dt>, <dd> as expressing implicit hierarchy rather than ask people to change how they mark up their content to make the hierarchy explicit from the parse. ** question: Can we (should we) get the software doing the binding to accessibility APIs to treat <dl> <dt>term1</dt> <dd>remark 1.1</dd> <dd>remark 1.2</dd> .... </dl> as if it were marked <dl> <dt id='list3term1randxyz'>term1</dt> <div role='aaa:group' aaa:labelledby='#list3term1randxyz'> <dd>remark 1.1</dd> <dd>remark 1.2</dd> </div> .... </dl> ** example: This example is from the WCAG2 Techniques, technique C7, example two <quote cite="http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/WD-WCAG20-TECHS/#C7"> <dl> <dt>Winnie the Pooh </dt> <dd><a href="winnie_the_pooh.html"> <span>Winnie the Pooh </span>HTML</a></dd> <dd><a href="winnie_the_pooh.pdf"> <span>Winnie the Pooh </span>PDF</a></dd> <dt>War and Peace</dt> <dd><a href="war_and_peace.html"> <span>War and Peace </span>HTML</a></dd> <dd><a href="war_and_peace.pdf"> <span>War and Peace </span>PDF</a></dd> </dl> </quote> In the WCAG techniques document, the <span> inside an <a> link is styled to hide it (with an overflow trick). Aside from the bad practice in this example (span in link is not a good selector for this use, a class should be used to mark the conditional content as @class='more' or something to that effect), should the repeated labeling even be necessary, or should the <dt> be regarded as enough of a label within this HTML markup? Should we really be asking authors to repeat the text, here, or should we expect client software to treat the <dt> contents as an inheritable context label? Al
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