- From: Mike Paciello <paciello@webable.com>
- Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:19:16 -0500
- To: wai-tech-comments@w3.org
Al: I agree with you 100%. -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Al Gilman [<mailto:asgilman@iamdigex.net%5D>mailto:asgilman@iamdigex.net] > Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:59 AM > To: webwatch@yahoogroups.com > Cc: w3c-wai-au@w3.org > Subject: RE: [webwatch] Visa Paralympics accessible site > > > At 08:48 AM 2002-01-29 , Mike Paciello wrote: > >I have noticed that these dual links with ALT are a popular > design trend. I > >believe it's based on the misunderstanding of ALT text use. > "We" have been > >preaching the need for ALT text on images for so long, that > designers are > >including it on every instance and forgetting usability. > > > >I think we need to do a better job of educating the designers. Simple as > >that. > > > > Yes, but why is it that designers have to be repeatedly told [this]? > > It is a megatrend and the bane of my existence. > > They are following a context-free rule that only takes linear > thinking. Here > is an IMG, supply an ALT. All they did was to follow that rule > without looking > around. They ignore the context. > > The better ALT would consider the context in a linear reading. > > But from the work-situation of the visual designer willing to > JustDoIt for a > few rules imposed by the boss, that is a radical step beyone what they > understand they have to do. > > My consulting linguist tells me "in English we are rapidly > losing constructive > morphology." The ability to have people understand a new word > you put together > because you put it together following "the rules." > > There is a strong preference in the JustDoIt culture for extreme > locality of > reference; not to have to look around or consider anything but > what is dead > ahead of you. This is what I mean is a megatrend. Don't know > when or if this > trend will turn around. > > For effective education and outreach, to get the design > constraint we wish to > be effective in the designer's understanding we have to put the > form of the > fluency constraint graphically under their nose. This can be > done with Lynx or > Home Page Reader or you name it. But the authoring process has > to present the > author with the text content in a geometry which makes the > repetition obvious, > and makes it look like a mistake. It is not enough to verbalize > an abstract > pattern in their ear. We need to use all the senses they have > and habitually > respond to, to impress on them the geometry of the problem, that > the words > should flow. > > Sadly, the documentation of techniques for authoring tools has > lost sight of > this master principle. > > Techniques for Authoring Tool Accessibility > > <<http://www.w3.org/TR/ATAG10-TECHS/#check-provide-missing-alt>http://www.w3 .org/TR/ATAG10-TECHS/#check-provide-missing-alt>htt > p://<http://www.w/>www.w > 3.org/TR/ATAG10-TECHS/#check-provide-missing-alt > > > Al > > >Mike > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Kelly Ford > [<<mailto:kelly@kellford.com%5D>mailto:kelly@kellford.com%5D><mailto:kelly@k ellford.com%5D>mailto:kelly@kellford.com] > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 8:35 AM > >> To: webwatch@yahoogroups.com > >> Subject: Re: [webwatch] Visa Paralympics accessible site > >> > >> > >> Hi Phil, > >> > >> A couple things jump immediately out at me. These fall in the > >> category of making something really usable in my opinion. Rather > >> not doing them would make the site more usable. > >> > >> 1. Several of the links at the beginning of the page use alt text > >> phrasing of "this link goes to...". Just give me the name of > the link. > >> > >> 2. As you mention there are multiple instances of alt text and > >> then a link with the same name. To me this is where alt="" > >> should be used on a graphic that simply duplicates the text of a > >> link that is immediately after. > >> > >> Kelly > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Phill Jenkins > >> To: webwatch@yahoogroups.com > >> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 9:01 AM > >> Subject: [webwatch] Visa Paralympics accessible site > >> > >> > >> Last week I saw a presentation from VISA about how they are > >> sponsoring the > >> Paralympics. They also claim to have made a lot of > progress on their > >> > <<http://www.visaparalympics.com/>http://www.visaparalympics.com/><http://ww w.visaparalympics.com/>http://www.visaparalympics.com site. > >> > >> I found the redundant use of alt text to be distracting. > Using Home Page > >> Reader [1] VISA would be able to see & hear just what I mean, > >> for example > >> Overview Overview. Also, the main image of a skier with only > >> one leg was > >> not described. But, I really liked the used on skip > navigation and the > >> link at the bottom that jumps back to the top. It appears to meet > >> accessibility standards but could be tweaked to make it more > >> easy to use. > >> > >> What do others think? > >> > >> Regards, > >> Phill > >> > >> > >> Yahoo! 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