- From: Shawn Henry <shawn@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 08:43:47 -0500
- To: Eric Eggert <ee@w3.org>, Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org>, Kevin White <kevin@w3.org>
- Cc: wai-eo-editors <wai-eo-editors@w3.org>
Hi all, On 8/19/2015 3:59 AM, Eric Eggert wrote: > On 19 Aug 2015, at 9:57, Shadi Abou-Zahra wrote: 6) > Hi Kevin, > > My responses inline below, to add to Shawn's. I am using this part of the thread because it is complete (in the subsequent mails you seem to have deleted parts, making it difficult to refer to in a response). > > On 18.8.2015 22:55, Shawn Henry wrote: > > Hi all, > > Please also see my comments and suggestions in GitHub: > https://github.com/w3c/wai-quick-start/issues/89, and note especially: > "One thing I think we can do to help is to put all of the example -- > including the heading and captions -- on a background -- like in the > Tutorials, > e.g.:http://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/images/informative/#images-used-to-label-other-information > > I'll say I'm [high-medium] on that." > > I agree with this point. Note that this does not mean /copying/ the tutorials 1:1 but reusing the conceptual design as much as possible. > > The white space in the tutorials make having blocks of examples much more tolerable, also they are an integral part of the content (you most likely need to take a look at them to make sense of the tutorial). Here it is more additional information. +1 ! Examples should stand out more in the Tutorials and in the Tips. > > That said, they can use a little more grouping to make sure they are easy to understand. > > Some points on below: > > * I [strongly] do not think we should have in all caps text other than "EXAMPLE" (so not Alt 1) > > I agree with not having /text/ in all-caps but like Alt 1 very much because it highlights the actual examples very clearly. Instead of "INACCESSIBLE INSTRUCTION" maybe you could try "INCORRECT: Uses color only". That is, only emphasizing the type of the caption. > > Note that I am really not stuck on caps at all - my comment was to visually highlight the caption (and as subtly as possible). > > * I support having as little headings and captions as feasible, avoiding duplication, and also providing sufficient explanation. Alt 2 seems way too unnecessarily wordy. > * For Alt 3, can't you just add a few words and cover all the bases? ** Inaccessible instruction -> Inaccessible instruction uses color only ** Accessible instruction uses color and symbol ** Inaccessible question -> Inaccessible question uses color only ** Accessible question uses numbers to refer to objects -> Accessible question uses color and numbers > > Some additional points to consider: > > * I don't like the overuse of "Example" in Alt 3 - seems superfluous; > * Avoid "Accessible" and "Inaccessible" valuation as this sounds too absolute, and we all know there is no absolute accessibility; > > Here a suggestion for the headings (to be used with Alt 1): > > [[ > Example: Highlighting instructions > > Incorrect: Relies on color only -- Correct: Uses both color and symbols [to highlight text] > > Example: Referring to content [or "Identifying content"?] > > Incorrect: Relies on color only -- Correct: Uses both color numbers to refer to objects > ]] > > I think grouping here is very important. Those are not four (independent) examples but two examples with a before-and-after-like comparison. > > While correct/incorrect is probably the correct(!sic) way to do it, the wording feels a little bit bureaucratic and not very welcoming. I tried using “Do” and “Don’t” instead in this mockup and it works well (at least for the color example): > > * I started to say for Alt 3, just remove the "EXAMPLE" on each, but then I see that it wouldn't differentiate the caption from the example. I envision: ** All of the Example on a single background block, probably including the main Examples heading. ** A separator line under the caption. I think with good spacing & formatting & color, you could make it not look like a link. > > As above, I'm not fussed with the actual styling but just that the caption stands out. Also as above, I think Alt 1 is a good start! > > I also agree that the caption should be more separated from the actual example (that’s why I have added the #ddd hairline in the mockup above ;-). +1 to something like that #ddd hairline ~Shawn > > Would you be up for trying a mockup of that? > > RE> "• Might additionally benefit from index for the examples, so > ‘Example 1:…’, ‘Example 2:…’, etc. Although if there is only one > example, this may look a little silly" > um - in the case where there's only 1 examples, then you'd just use > "Example:" right? > > Hmmm. I think most tips have one example? I don't think we need the numbering. It also kind of implies some sequence or ordering. > > I also don’t think we /need/ numbering. > > Eric. > > Best, > Shadi > > ~Shawn > > On 8/18/2015 8:25 AM, Kevin White wrote: > > Hi All, > > Shadi raised a concern (correct me if I don’t represent all your > thoughts) that the captions for the examples should stand out more, > and should be associated more with the example itself. He also > proposed the idea of incorporating more information into the header to > better introduce the examples. > > I am sending this email prior to Thursday’s meeting so that everyone > has an opportunity to consider it. > > The images below are ideas for presenting the captions in the examples > in slightly different ways. > > I have not mocked these up in Github yet, as it will start to get > messy in there if I did. > > Current: > > Alternative 1: > > This approach incorporates some of the design ideas from the > tutorials. It uses the bar, same color for the caption, and changes to > all caps (actually small-caps but only one capital so not worth > quibbling). > > Comments: > • Caption may be lost in the example > • Caption may be considered part of the example > • Heading may be too long and involved > • Heading may end up repeating some information that needs to be in > the caption > • Border may grab too much attention > > Alternative 2: > > This approach simply changes the example heading. > > Comments: > • May not address Shadi’s original concern as caption is still simple > and above the example box > • Heading may be too long and involved > • Heading may end up repeating some information that needs to be in > the caption > > Alternative 3: > > Incorporates the caption into the example box with a leading > ‘Example:’ to help distinguish it from the actual example content. > Styles the label to help differentiate it from surrounding content. > Avoids styling the caption itself to maintain readability and avoid it > looking like a link. Removes border to reduce visual noise. > > Comments: > > • Caption stands out well from example without being separated > • Little in the way of attention grabbing > • Heading does not introduce specific example content. > • Says ‘Example’ quite a bit > • Might additionally benefit from index for the examples, so ‘Example > 1:…’, ‘Example 2:…’, etc. Although if there is only one example, this > may look a little silly > > Overall comments: > > • It is worth noting that what works in the tutorial is unlikely to > work within the core WAI design template. The tutorial has different > constrains, a slightly different palette, different typeface, etc. > • These are piece meal changes that really should be done as part of a > broad set of design guidelines that consider all possible cases for > use. Even when considering just the examples, there are a variety of > types of examples and this approach may not work for all of them, for > example, > • > http://w3c.github.io/wai-quick-start/designing.html#ensure-that-interactive-elements-are-easy-to-identify > > • > http://w3c.github.io/wai-quick-start/designing.html#create-designs-for-different-viewport-sizes > > • > http://w3c.github.io/wai-quick-start/developing.html#associate-all-form-elements-with-labels > > Thanks > > Kevin > > -- > Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/ > Activity Lead, WAI International Program Office > W3C Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) > > -- > > Eric Eggert > Web Accessibility Specialist > Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) at World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) >
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