- From: Heath, Geoffrey <geoffrey.heath@hp.com>
- Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:01:01 +0000
- To: Yeliz Yesilada <yesilady@cs.man.ac.uk>, Jo Rabin <jrabin@mtld.mobi>
- CC: "wai-eo-editors@w3.org" <wai-eo-editors@w3.org>, public-bpwg <public-bpwg@w3.org>
That definition sounds good to me. "mobile devices may not have a pointing device so user can use tab navigation to move from one element to another" I think that's great. _________________________ Geoff Heath Hewlett-Packard Sr. Information Architect -----Original Message----- From: Yeliz Yesilada [mailto:yesilady@cs.man.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:57 AM To: Jo Rabin Cc: Heath, Geoffrey; wai-eo-editors@w3.org; public-bpwg Subject: Re: Editorial comments on "Shared Web Experiences: Barriers Common to Mobile Device Users and People with Disabilities" I think if we are having this discussion here that means my definition is not good :) I personally want to keep them as short as possible as the other W3C documents explain the stated problems in detail. I will change the definition to "mobile devices may not have a pointing device so user can use tab navigation to move from one element to another". Jo, Geoff, will it be OK for you if I change the definition to this? Yeliz. On 14 Oct 2008, at 05:45, Jo Rabin wrote: > > Geoff - thanks, I think that the devices are characterised by what > they don't have rather than what they do have. I'm not clear that > using a touch screen involves tab navigation so I would prefer to > stay with "may not have a pointing device". > > Jo > > On 13/10/2008 22:25, Heath, Geoffrey wrote: >> Jo and Yeliz, >> In regards to the previous statements below: >>>> Sorry if this seems a bit picky, or unduly politically correct, but >>>> >>>> "Mobile Context: Pointing device not present or inadequate." >>>> >>>> I think that saying "inadequate" opens a number of questions which >>>> we don't want to go into here, so maybe we can just say "There may >>>> be no pointing device" >> > I understand your point. What about changing Mobile >> context to " >> > Device has no mouse, only alphanumeric keypad or >> joystick so user can >> > use tab navigation to move from one element to another". >> Do you think >> > this will solve the ambiguity in the definition? >> I think the Mobile Context definition needs to be thought of in a >> broader scope, because the navigation paradigms are ever-changing. >> Issues I see with the proposed definitions above. >> - I don't know of a mobile device that utilizes a mouse. >> - Touch / Multi-touch screen interfaces are not addressed.. There >> is no "mouse or stylus", but the device still allows for "non tab >> navigation of content". >> - What about devices that utilize a rollerball [blackberry >> style].. This is not addressed. >> - What about devices that utilize multi-soft key only? [2-3 >> softkeys]. >> - What about devices that utilze a touchpad? >> - Is joystick a synanomous term with rockerpad? What is the >> current industry definition/name for that hardware element? >> I believe the broader the scope of the definition, the less >> "detailed nuances" you will have troubles with, and the longer the >> document can remain effective. Device navigation paradigms are >> constantly changing and evolving. >> I would propose sticking with something even more generic and simple: >> "Mobile Context: Tab Navigation to move from one element to >> another".. >> There is no amgiguity in the definition... Tab navigation is being >> used, regardless of device capabilities/paradigm. Yet, it doesn't >> involve the intimate details of attaching every type of device >> navigation paradigm to the definition. Clean, simple, and more >> "timeless". >> My thoughts. >> _________________________ >> Geoff Heath >> Hewlett-Packard >> Sr. Information Architect >> -----Original Message----- >> From: public-bpwg-request@w3.org [mailto:public-bpwg- >> request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Yeliz Yesilada >> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:02 PM >> To: Jo Rabin >> Cc: wai-eo-editors@w3.org; public-bpwg >> Subject: Re: Editorial comments on "Shared Web Experiences: >> Barriers Common to Mobile Device Users and People with Disabilities" >> Hi Jo, >> Thanks for your comments. >> On 13 Oct 2008, at 10:13, Jo Rabin wrote: >>>>> Under Focus (tab) order - I think the mobile section sort of >>> implies that navigation is via tab key, which it isn't, but in any >>> case it may be worth mentioning that it's hard to navigate with the >>> common 4-way rocker. >>> >>>> Please let me know what you think about the latest version of the >>> description, I tried not to talk about any specific technology here. >>> >>> Sorry if this seems a bit picky, or unduly politically correct, but >>> >>> "Mobile Context: Pointing device not present or inadequate." >>> >>> I think that saying "inadequate" opens a number of questions which >>> we don't want to go into here, so maybe we can just say "There may >>> be no pointing device" >> I understand your point. What about changing Mobile context to " >> Device has no mouse, only alphanumeric keypad or joystick so user can >> use tab navigation to move from one element to another". Do you think >> this will solve the ambiguity in the definition? >>>> Changed the description to "Some older mobile browsers do not >>> display content with invalid markup. Additionally, content >>> adaptation for mobile device agents is unpredictable and possibly >>> incomplete if the page markup is invalid." >>> >>> I really think the second sentence (Additionally ...) asks more >>> questions than it answers so it would be better if it was removed. >> OK, I will remove that. >> Please let me know what you think about the suggested change above so >> that I can quickly change the document. >> Yeliz. >
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