- From: Jim Allan <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>
- Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 13:40:15 -0600
- To: WAI-ua <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
- DRAFT - http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html
User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
02 Dec 2010
See also: IRC log http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-irc
Attendees
Present
Greg, Jim, Kelly, Simon, John, Kim, Jeanne
Regrets
Markhakkinen
Chair
Jim Allan, Kelly Ford
Scribe
kford
Contents
* Topics
1. Publishing working draft
2. Discuss strategy to get us to last call/final document review
3. Discuss editor’s notes from current UAAG draft -
http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-UAAG20-20101117/
* Summary of Action Items
<trackbot> Date: 02 December 2010
<JAllan> kim, are you going to join the call?
<scribe> Scribe: kford
Publishing working draft
JS: Number of items related to working draft.
<JAllan> current draft at
http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-UAAG20-20101117/#gl-keyboard-access
<jeanne> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-UAAG20-20101130/
JS: asked people to approve draft and it resulted in conversations on summaries.
<jeanne> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/WD-UAAG20-20101130/
JS: I put summaries in for now so we can see what they are like.
... Summaries list discussion about summaries.
That was summarizes.
JS: Should we publish with summary or take it out?
... Or should we come to an agreement to call them something else or
otherwise chane the name and publish.
JA: I like summary. That's what they seem like to me.
... My only issue is that we don't have a summary for all of them?
<jeanne> RIM, Research in Motion - Blackberry
<JAllan> He is from RIM
<John> thank you
Correct spelling of your name John, last name that is?
<John> John S Lee from Research in Motion, I'm a technical advisor
with the standards group
Group introduces themselves.
<JAllan> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/WD-UAAG20-20101130/
Group returns to discussion about summary.
<JAllan> +1
GL I think they are summaries.
Kim and Simon agree.
+1 here and say we can change later.
JS: What else do we want to have in the status.
... In this document the changes seem subtle.
KF: Didn't we add more implementation?
JS: Yes and that will go in that doc's status.
GL: We did renumbering, level changes and such.
JS: Last time we published was July. What are the big changes?
Group talks about focus as being rewritten?
JS: Reads earlier status and questions.
JA: Group has not received a lot of feedback.
... Let's use some of our earlier questions.
GL: Talks about change from provide an option.
<jeanne> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-uaag2-comments/2010Jul/0000.html
JS: We have a request from education and outreach on some editorial
items plus short handles for items.
<jeanne> # UAAG 2.0 Guidelines
<jeanne> * PRINCIPLE 1: Perceivable
<jeanne> o Guideline 1.1: Alternative content
<jeanne> o Guideline 1.2: Missing content
<jeanne> o Guideline 1.3: Highlighting
<jeanne> o Guideline 1.4: Text configuration
<jeanne> o Guideline 1.5: Volume configuration
<jeanne> o Guideline 1.6: Synthesized speech configuration
<jeanne> o Guideline 1.7: Style sheets configuration
<jeanne> o Guideline 1.8: Viewports
<jeanne> o Guideline 1.9: Focus
<jeanne> o Guideline 1.10: Source views
<jeanne> o Guideline 1.11: Links
<jeanne> * PRINCIPLE 2. Operable
<jeanne> o Guideline 2.1: Keyboard access
<jeanne> o Guideline 2.2: Event handlers
<jeanne> o Guideline 2.3: Time-independence
<jeanne> o Guideline 2.4: Flashing
<jeanne> o Guideline 2.5: Preference settings
<jeanne> o Guideline 2.6: Search.
<jeanne> o Guideline 2.7: Structured navigation.
<jeanne> o Guideline 2.8: Toolbar configuration.
<jeanne> o Guideline 2.9: Media
<jeanne> * PRINCIPLE 3: Understandable
<jeanne> o Guideline 3.1: Unnecessary messages.
<jeanne> o Guideline 3.2: Mistakes.
<jeanne> o Guideline 3.3: Documentation
<jeanne> o Guideline 3.4: Predictable
<jeanne> * PRINCIPLE 4. Programmatic access
<jeanne> o Guideline 4.1: Programmatic access
<jeanne> * PRINCIPLE 5. Specifications and conventions
<jeanne> o Guideline 5.1: Desktop apps
<jeanne> o Guideline 5.2: Web & web apps
<jeanne> o Guideline 5.3: Accessibility features
<jeanne> o Guideline 5.4: Follow specifications
<jeanne> Existing ToC: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/WD-UAAG20-20101130/#toc
Group talks about having short handles for items.
GL: In general I think this is a good way to go.
Group is generally in favor of short handles presented by JS.
Discuss strategy to get us to last call/final document review
<JAllan> kf: we have made progress. did more writing. have actions open.
<JAllan> ... what are thoughts to get to last call...more writing
meeting, small group writing, etc.
<JAllan> ...how to close things down better.
<JAllan> js: thinks we are very close.
<JAllan> Simon had suggested making the call 2 hours long
<JAllan> kf: get aggressive about getting right with action items and
commitments through Dec.
<JAllan> ...then start locking down in Jan.
<JAllan> kp: had groups of 2 to get things done by end Dec.
<JAllan> ... is there a prize...motivator
<JAllan> ...concentrate on F2F items and open action items.
<JAllan> kf: for SC we had groups.
<JAllan> KF and JS had largest group
<JAllan> js is out next week (rest well)
Discuss editor’s notes from current UAAG draft -
http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-UAAG20-20101117/
Group now talking about editor's notes?
JA: First one is on virtual worlds.
<sharper> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-UAAG20-20101117/
<JAllan> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/WD-UAAG20-20101130
<JAllan> KF: don't include. adds nothing.
<JAllan> js: SecondLife considers itself a UA. They asked us to
include GL to help them.
<JAllan> GL: reader hits something confusing in the second sentence.
<JAllan> kf: if we don't talk about it now, how and when.
<jeanne> ACTION: jeanne to write a summary of issues on including
Virtual Worlds into the document to discuss at the 16 December.
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-470 - Write a summary of issues on including
Virtual Worlds into the document to discuss at the 16 December. [on
Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-12-09].
Much disucssion about process.
Now talking about important elements.
S/disucssioN/DISCUSSION
<jeanne> ATAG Prominence definition ->
http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2010/ED-ATAG20-20101028/#def-Prominence
GL: We are asking for something pretty major here. Probably need to
write up a more robust recommendation.
Group talks further about where this term is used in the document.
<scribe> chair: jim
<scribe> Chair: Jim_allan
<scribe> ACTION: MH to provide definition of time based media content
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-471 - Provide definition of time based media
content [on Markku Hakkinen - due 2010-12-09].
<JAllan> ACTION: jallan to define important elements [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-472 - Define important elements [on Jim
Allan - due 2010-12-09].
<JAllan> ACTION: jallan to move editors notes 2.9.12 to implementing
document [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-473 - Move editors notes 2.9.12 to
implementing document [on Jim Allan - due 2010-12-09].
<scribe> ACTION: kford to figure out SC around editor's note on 3.1.
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - kford
<scribe> ACTION: kf to figure out SC on editor's note around 3.1.
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - kf
<scribe> ACTION: JA to figure out SC around editor's note in 3.1
(belongs to kford). [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-474 - Figure out SC around editor's note in
3.1 (belongs to kford). [on Jim Allan - due 2010-12-09].
<JAllan> ACTION: simon to create definition of 'benefit accessibility'
or reword all SC in GL 3.3 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action08]
<trackbot> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - simon
<trackbot> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or
username (eg. sharper, spieters)
<JAllan> ACTION: sharper to create definition of 'benefit
accessibility' or reword all SC in GL 3.3 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action09]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-475 - Create definition of 'benefit
accessibility' or reword all SC in GL 3.3 [on Simon Harper - due
2010-12-09].
<JAllan> ACTION: jallan to review EN on GL3.4 security...why, do we
need it? [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action10]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-476 - Review EN on GL3.4 security...why, do
we need it? [on Jim Allan - due 2010-12-09].
<JAllan> ACTION: JS to remove editors note on 5.1 define
'non-web-based' [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action11]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-477 - Remove editors note on 5.1 define
'non-web-based' [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-12-09].
<JAllan> glossary editor notes. leave in for word not in document, but
in glossary.
<JAllan> ACTION: JS to move editors note on 'Profile', change wording
to - Platform-independent profiles are useful for those who use the
same user agent on different devices. [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action12]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-478 - Move editors note on 'Profile', change
wording to - Platform-independent profiles are useful for those who
use the same user agent on different devices. [on Jeanne Spellman -
due 2010-12-09].
<Greg> I'll make a pass over the document trying to replace
occurrences of the phrase global (as in "global settings") with
something clearer.
<Greg> ACTION: Greg to make a pass over the document trying to replace
occurrences of the phrase global (as in "global settings") with
something clearer. [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action13]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-479 - Make a pass over the document trying
to replace occurrences of the phrase global (as in "global settings")
with something clearer. [on Greg Lowney - due 2010-12-09].
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Greg to make a pass over the document trying to replace
occurrences of the phrase global (as in "global settings") with
something clearer. [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action13]
[NEW] ACTION: JA to figure out SC around editor's note in 3.1 (belongs
to kford). [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: jallan to define important elements [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: jallan to move editors notes 2.9.12 to implementing
document [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: jallan to review EN on GL3.4 security...why, do we need
it? [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: jeanne to write a summary of issues on including Virtual
Worlds into the document to discuss at the 16 December. [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: JS to move editors note on 'Profile', change wording to
- Platform-independent profiles are useful for those who use the same
user agent on different devices. [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action12]
[NEW] ACTION: JS to remove editors note on 5.1 define 'non-web-based'
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: kf to figure out SC on editor's note around 3.1.
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: kford to figure out SC around editor's note on 3.1.
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: MH to provide definition of time based media content
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: sharper to create definition of 'benefit accessibility'
or reword all SC in GL 3.3 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/12/02-ua-minutes.html#action09]
[End of minutes]
--
Jim Allan, Accessibility Coordinator & Webmaster
Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired
1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756
voice 512.206.9315 fax: 512.206.9264 http://www.tsbvi.edu/
"We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." McLuhan, 1964
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