- From: Jeanne Spellman <jeanne@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 16:54:59 -0500
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Minutes: http://www.w3.org/2010/11/09-ua-minutes.html
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Greg figure out and or create SC for content reflow.
[recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2010/11/09-ua-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: JS to review document with Kim to adjust all verb
tenses to present tense. [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2010/11/09-ua-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: JS to review document with Kim to insure that scope of
Global vs. individual is correct for each SC. [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2010/11/09-ua-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: kford to ensure implementing doc addresses currency
for 1.6.4. [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2010/11/09-ua-minutes.html#action03]
Text of Minutes:
[1]W3C
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- DRAFT -
User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
09 Nov 2010
See also: [2]IRC log
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Attendees
Present
Greg, Jim, Jan, Jeanne, Kelly, Kim, Mark, Simon
Regrets
Chair
KFord, JAllan
Scribe
jallan
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]1.2.2 Repair Empty Alternatives
2. [5]1.31 Highlighted items: The user has the option to
highlight the following classes of information so that each
is uniquely distinguished. (Level A)
3. [6]1.3.2 Highlighting options: The highlighting options
(with the same configurable range as the operating
environment's conventional selection utilities) include at
least (Level A):
4. [7]1.4.1 (former 3.6.1) Configure Text: The user can
globally set the following characteristics of visually
rendered text content, overriding any specified by the
author or user agent defaults (Level A):
5. [8]1.4.2 Preserve Distinctions: The user can preserve
distinctions in the size of rendered text when that text is
rescaled (e.g. headers continue to be larger than body
text) within absolute limitations imposed by the platform.
(Level A)
6. [9]1.5.1 Global Volume: The user can independently adjust
the volume of all audio tracks the user agent renders,
relative to the global volume level set through operating
environment mechanisms. However, if audio is muted at the
global level the user agent should not override this unless
the behavior is optional, not enabled by default, and the
user is cautioned as to its implications....
7. [10]1.6.1 Speech Rate and Volume: The user can set in
synthesized speech, overriding any values specified by the
author (Level A):
8. [11]1.6.4 The following speech features are provided (Level
AA): (a) user-defined extensions to the synthesized speech
dictionary, (b) "spell-out", where text is spelled one
character at a time, or according to language-dependent
pronunciation rules, (c) at least two ways of speaking
numerals: one where numerals are spoken as individual
digits and punctuation (e.g. "one two zero three...
9. [12]1.6.4
10. [13]1.7.1 Author Style Sheets: If the author has supplied
one or more style sheets, the user has the following
options (Level A):
11. [14]1.8.1 Highlight Viewport: The viewport with the input
focus (including nested viewports and their containers) is
highlighted, and the user is able to customize attributes
of the highlighted mechanism, including, but not limited
to, shape, size, stroke width, color, and blink rate (if
any). (Level A)
12. [15]1.8.2 Move Viewport to Selection and Focus: When a
viewport's selection or input focus changes, the viewport
moves as necessary to ensure that the new selection or
input focus location is at least partially in the viewport.
(Level A)
13. [16]1.8.3 Resizable: The user has the option to make
graphical viewports resizable, within the limits of the
display, overriding any values specified by the author.
14. [17]1.8.4 Scrollbars: Graphical viewports include
scrollbars if the rendered content (including after user
preferences have been applied) extends beyond the viewport
dimensions, overriding any values specified by the author.
15. [18]1.8.5 Viewport History: If the user agent maintains a
viewport history mechanism (e.g., via the "back button")
that stores previous "viable" states (i.e., that have not
been negated by the content, user agent settings or user
agent extensions). It maintains information about the page
and embedded controls, including viewport scrolling,
selection and keyboard focus. It restores the...
* [19]Summary of Action Items
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<kford> What kind of unit do youhave?
<jeanne> tandberg
<jeanne> zakim is confused because there are two UAAG calls at this
time
<jeanne> [20]http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-UAAG20-20101105/
[20] http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-UAAG20-20101105/
<Kim> Kelly: start with principle 1.1, provide access to alternative
content -- look through subpoints
<Kim> JR: too many examples -- as a general rule we should have as
few examples as possible -- so it's not longer than the success
criteria
<Kim> GL: shorter and more conversational -- icons next to content
with text alternatives or captions -- would that be short enough
+1 to shorter
<Jan> Idea: Identify Presence of Alternative Content: The user has
the option of having indicators displayed with rendered elements
that have alternative content (e.g. images with short text
alternatives indicated with an icon)
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<Jan> Or shorter: Identify Presence of Alternative Content: The user
has the option of having indicators displayed with content that has
alternative content (e.g. an icon to indicate an image has a short
text alternatives)
do we really need an example in the SC??
+1
<Kim> 1.1.2
<jeanne> Resolved: Renumber 1.1.2 & 3 to come before 1.1.1
<Kim> GL: not sure we need globally
the user can specify which types of content to render by default
<Kim> 1.1 .3
<Kim> KF: the user can browse the alternative -- the alternatives of
what
<Kim> GL: the user can browse for a rendered element
<jeanne> 1.1.2 (former 3.1.3) Browse and Render: The user can browse
content alternatives, switch between them, and render them according
to the following (Level A):
<Kim> KF: it's got to be a plural
<Greg> "For any rendered element, the user can browse..."
<Kim> JA: must be associated with each piece of content
<Kim> GL: what did we come up with for a summary
<Kim> GL: I find the bold items difficult to read
upshots
[23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0007.h
tml
[23]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2010OctDec/0007.html
Upshot: Let users see at a glance which pieces of content have
alternatives like alt text or longdesc (3.1.1) and click on an item
to see its available alternatives (3.3.3); they can also choose at
least one alternative like alt text to be always displayed (3.1.2),
but it's recommended that they also be able to specify a cascade,
like alt text if it's there, otherwise longdesc, otherwise,...
... filename, etc.
<Greg> "synchronized alternatives for time-based media can be
rendered at the same time as their associated audio and visual
tracks (e.g., captions, audio descriptions, or sign language for
video or audio)"
<Greg> "non-synchronized alternatives can be rendered as
replacements for the original rendered content (e.g., short text
alternatives or long descriptions for images)"
<Greg> So the entire thing now would be be: "For any rendered
element, the user can browse the alternatives, switch between them,
and render them according to the following (Level A): * synchronized
alternatives for time-based media can be rendered at the same time
as their associated audio and visual tracks (e.g., captions, audio
descriptions, or sign language for video or audio)* non-synchronized
alternatives can be rendered as replacements for the original
rendered cont
<Greg> ""For any rendered element, the user can browse the
alternatives, and choose at least one to be rendered according to
the following ..."
<Greg> The question is, do we want to require the user be able to
see more than one alternative at the same time?
<Jan> When a rendered element has alternatives, the user can control
rendering of the alternatives according to the following:
<Kim> KF: for any rendered element with alternatives
<Greg> Could shorten the second clause to be "the user can control
which are rendered", as we've already said we're talking about
alternatives.
<Kim> GL: still need to decide whether we want to explicitly require
whether the user can see more than one at the same time
<Greg> Another slight, shorter variation on Jan's wording: "For any
rendered element, the user can control rendering of the
alternatives"
<Jan> For any rendered element, the user can control rendering ofany
alternatives
<Jan> For any rendered element, the user can control rendering of
the alternative content
<Kim> When a rendered element has alternatives, the user can control
the alternatives according to the following:
<Jan> When a rendered element has alternative content, the user can
control the alternatives according to the following:
+1
<Jan> +1
<Greg> "can have alternatives rendered according to the following"?
<Greg> Just because "control" is a bit broad.
<Kim> JR: long descriptions should be replaced, but for synchronized
time-based media they can play at the same time
<Kim> JA: different depending on the media type
<Greg> So this only requires text alternatives *replace* images, not
supplement images. Is there something else that requires or
recommends the ability to have alternatives supplement the images?
<Kim> JR: it does say can
<Kim> JR: because only available through alternate screen readers
they can be put on the screen -- particular use case we want to see
although others are possible
<Kim> GL: no mention of at the same time
<Kim> JS: intent is clear -- doesn't mention
<Kim> KF: Greg has raised an issue worth exploring, but not in this
guideline perhaps. Do we want to encourage the display of all text
and the image
<Kim> KF: this was an option in a browser it might make people
realize how crappy some of their alternate text is
<kford> Issue: Do we need to encourage display of alt text and
images at the same time.
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-76 - Do we need to encourage display of alt
text and images at the same time. ; please complete additional
details at [24]http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/76/edit .
[24] http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/76/edit
<Kim> KF: 1.1.4
<Kim> KF: cascade of types of alternatives is wordy
<Jan> The user specify a preferred order of content alternatives to
render by default. If the alternative content has a different height
or width, the user agent will reflow the viewpor
<Jan> The user can specify a preferred order of content alternatives
to render by default. If the alternative content has a different
height or width, the user agent will reflow the viewport.
<Kim> KF: misses the point -- this is about making sure that it
falls back when the first ones not there
<Jan> The user can specify the fallback order in which to render
content alternatives.
<Jan> Maybe we should move "If the alternative content has a
different height or width, the user agent will reflow the viewport"
to the defn?
<Greg> I think the instructions on reflowing are general and not
repeated everywhere.
<Jan> The user can specify the fallback order in which to render
alternative content.
<kford> ACTION: Greg figure out and or create SC for content reflow.
[recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2010/11/09-ua-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-463 - Figure out and or create SC for
content reflow. [on Greg Lowney - due 2010-11-16].
<Greg> I'd still prefer "different types of alternative content" but
I'll yield to the majoriyity.
<Kim> KF: back to 1.11
<Kim> 1.1.1
<Jan> The user can have indicators rendered along with rendered
elements that have alternative content (e.g. visual icons rendered
in proximity of content that has short text alternatives, long
descriptions, or captions).
<jeanne> The user can specify which types of alternative content to
render by default. (Level A)
<Kim> The user can specify that indicators be rendered...
The user can have indicators of alternative content rendered along
with elements that have alternative content
<Greg> Jan's most recent before that was "Identify Presence of
Alternative Content: The user has the option of having indicators
displayed with content that has alternative content (e.g. an icon to
indicate an image has a short text alternatives)"
<Kim> The user can specify that alternative content indicators be
rendered...
<Jan> The user can have indicators of alternative content rendered
along with elements that have alternative content (e.g. an icon to
indicate an image has a short text alternatives)
<Greg> That sounds really repetitive, with "alternatve content"
twice.
<Jan> The user can specify that indicators be rendered along with
elements that have alternative content (e.g. an icon to indicate an
image has a short text alternatives)
<Jan> The user can specify that indicators be rendered along with
elements that have alternative content (e.g. an icon to indicate an
image has a short text alternative)
<Jan> The user can specify that elements that have alternative
content be highlighted (e.g. an icon to indicate an image has a
short text alternative)
<Greg> We could use the term "highlight" which is defined as
including both supplemental icons as well as outlines and other
forms of visually distinguishing pieces of content.
<Jan> The user can specify that elements with alternative content be
highlighted (e.g. an icon to indicate an image has a short text
alternative)
<Greg> "The user can have elements highlighted to indicate that they
have alternative content"
The user can have indicators of alternative content rendered along
with elements that have alternative content
<Kim> The user can specify that alternative content indicators be
rendered along with elements that have alternative content (e.g. an
icon to indicate an image has a short text alternative)
+1
<kford> +1
<jeanne> +1
<sharper> +1
<Jan> +1
<Greg> I dislike it but OK
greag meant to say ~1
<Greg> -1
<Greg> I can say -1 since you don't need consensus :-)
<Kim> 1.2.1
[26]http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-UAAG20-20101105/
[26] http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-UAAG20-20101105/
<Greg> We don't say "receive" anywhere else in the document.
Elsewhere we always talk about having things rendered.
<jeanne> Repair Missing Alternatives: The user can receive generated
repair text when the user agent recognizes that the author has not
provided alternative content required by the technology
specification (e.g. short text alternative for an image). (Level A)
<Kim> JR: we don't define how it should be repaired
<Greg> We also want to the user to be able to say they don't want
generated repair text.
<Greg> "The user can specify whether or not they want the user agent
to generate and render repair text when it recognizes that the has
not provided alternative content required by the technology
specification (e.g. short text alternative for an image). (Level A)"
<Kim> SH: not specific enough
<Greg> "The user can specify whether or not the user agent should
generate and render repair text when it recognizes that author has
not provided alternative content required by the technology
specification (e.g. short text alternative for an image). (Level A)"
<Kim> JS: should the file name for an image
<Greg> "The user can specify whether or not the user agent should
generate and render repair text (e.g. file name) when it recognizes
that author has not provided alternative content required by the
technology specification. (Level A)"
<Greg> So in response to Simon's concern, we could change it to:
"The user can specify whether or not the user agent should generate
and render repair text (e.g. file name) when it recognizes that
author has not provided alternative content supported by the
technology specification. (Level A)"
<Greg> That is, "supported by the technology specification" instead
of "required by"
<jeanne> The user can specify whether or not the user agent should
generate and render repair text (e.g. file name) when it recognizes
that author has not provided alternative content. (Level A)
<Kim> JR: what is it asking the user agent to do -- have the
capacity to generate and repair text and under what circumstances
<Greg> My only worry with that is that it might be too broad, e.g.
forcing repair text for things (e.g. text) that normally have no
defined alternatives.
<Kim> JA: it can't give you things it doesn't know about
<Kim> JA: if you do generate repair techs allow the user to turn it
on and off -- that could be a level a thing
<Kim> GL: it's not hard to generate repair text
<Kim> JA: the file name is always given as an example, it's not what
we are talking about exactly
<Kim> GL: specification on repair text from one of the other working
groups?
<Kim> JR: repair text has to be human authored -- they should be
providing all of this
<Greg> Filenames and the like could be considered an attributes of
an element rather than alternative content for it.
<Greg> The user could ask the user agent to render some attributes
of an element as repair text.
<Greg> That takes care of Simon's concern that the repair text might
be generic and not actually relevant or useful to the user.
<Kim> SH: definition -- in good faith, maybe that's all we can do
<Greg> Maybe not *entirely*, but at least partially.
<Kim> JR: tools do need to provide a repair capacity, repair techs
needs to do something at least as smart as providing the name of the
resource file, end-users need to be able to turn it on and off
because they may not find it useful
<Kim> repair text
<Greg> I note the definition of repair content says "UAAG 2.0 does
not require user agents to include repair content in the document
object." which seems a problem for assistive technology
***short break for lunch****
<scribe> scribe: jallan
gl: concerned about removing the caveat, and forcing UA to create
alternative content for text
<Greg> That is by removing the phrase "when it recognizes that
author has not provided alternative content supported by the
technology specification."
previously, The user can specify whether or not the user agent
should generate and render repair text (e.g. file name) when it
recognizes that author has not provided alternative content
supported by the technology specification. (Level A)
The user can specify whether or not the user agent should generate
and render repair text (e.g. file name) when it recognizes that
author has not provided alternative content. (Level A)
<jeanne> Repair Missing Alternatives: The user can specify whether
or not the user agent should generate and render repair text (e.g.
file name) when it recognizes that author has not provided
alternative content. (Level A)
gl: does this require alternative for text.
... with no clause, then everything needs an alternative
<jeanne> repair content, repair text
<jeanne> Content generated by the user agent to correct an error
condition. "Repair text" refers to the text portion of repair
content. Error conditions that may lead to the generation of repair
content include: Erroneous or incomplete content (e.g., ill-formed
markup, invalid markup, or missing alternative content that is
required by format specification);
<jeanne> Missing resources for handling or rendering content (e.g.,
the user agent lacks a font family to display some characters, or
the user agent does not implement a particular scripting language).
<jeanne> UAAG 2.0 does not require user agents to include repair
content in the document object. Repair content inserted in the
document object should conform to the Web Content Accessibility
Guidelines 1.0 [WCAG10]. For more information about repair
techniques for Web content and software, refer to "Techniques for
Authoring Tool Accessibility Guidelines 1.0" [ATAG10-TECHS].
<jeanne> script
kf: need to scope this to the technology specification. leave it in.
... there are only certain element that have alternative content
(and something can be used to generate repair text)
sh: what is difference between required and supported
in HTML5 can have legend for figure, fall back text, and
aria-described by, how does UA know what is missing.
JS: that is covered by 1.1.x
ja: what is use case?
resolved: revisit repair text 1.2.1
issue: revisit repair text 1.2.1 (minutes 9nov2010)
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-77 - Revisit repair text 1.2.1 (minutes
9nov2010) ; please complete additional details at
[27]http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/77/edit .
[27] http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/77/edit
1.2.2 Repair Empty Alternatives
The user has the option of receiving generated repair text when the
user agent recognizes that the author has provided empty alternative
content. (Level AA)
gl: change 'receiving generated repair..." to "can specify whether
or not to receive..."
<Greg> "The user can specify whether or not the user agent should
generate and render repair text (e.g. file name) when it recognizes
that author has provided empty alternative content. (Level AA)"
js +1
kp +1
<kford> +1
<Jan> The user can specify whether or not the user agent should
generate and render repair text (e.g. file name) when it recognizes
that the author has provided empty alternative content. (Level AA
<Greg> +1
<sharper> +1
+1
<Jan> +1
<Kim> +1
1.31 Highlighted items: The user has the option to highlight the
following classes of information so that each is uniquely
distinguished. (Level A)
<Kim> the user can specify that the following classes of information
be highlighted so that each is uniquely distinguished
+1
kf +1
<Jan> The user can specify that the following be highlighted so that
each is uniquely distinguishable
<Jan> The user can specify that the following be highlighted so that
each is uniquely distinguished
<Greg> +1
+1
<Kim> +1
sh: what if we add another item - presence of alternative content
that would be item (e)
kf: seems to muddy the water.
gl: not that much different.
js: only the presence of alternative content, not the actual
alternative content
ja: add to doc and see if we get any comments.
<Greg> If we go with that approach make it "elements with
alternative content" "elements with recognized alternative content"
kf: add to document.
all agree.
<Greg> I'm not entirely happy with having it in two places, but if
you want to.
jr: what is unique about enabled elements (1.3.1.c)
... it makes sense
1.3.2 Highlighting options: The highlighting options (with the same
configurable range as the operating environment's conventional
selection utilities) include at least (Level A):
kp: the user can specify highlighting options...
<Kim> The user can specify highlighting options (in the same
configurable range as the operating environment's73 conventional
selection utilities) that include at least (Level A):
ja: perhaps add parenthetical as a (d) item
sh: what about icons or earcons
jr: include (in the same configurable range as the operating
environment's73 conventional selection utilities) as a note before
the list, but after the SC
... not sure about icons/earcons...the SC already says 'at least'
which leaves door open for other highlighting
kf: if 1.3.2 is how to comply with 1.3.1 then including an icon may
be necessary.
<jeanne> For those who want to check on the updates - here is the
latest master document.
[28]http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-UAAG20-20101109/MasterUAAG20101
109.html
[28]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2010/ED-UAAG20-20101109/MasterUAAG20101109.html
gl: need to be careful about what we require. the list is a
requirement...'at least' these listed items, could be more but...
kp: put the parenthetical note after the list so it doesn't break up
the reading.
gl: perhaps create a different SC about how to highlight different
types of information
<Jan> The user can specify highlighting options that include at
least (Level A)
jr: input focus should be 'outline'
... 'c' should be outline (css selector)
<Jan> (a) foreground colors, (b) background colors, and (c) outline
<jeanne> outline (block or text with configurable color and width)
gl: need to be technology neutral, no mention of CSS.
say border with configurable color, thichness (not width), and style
(dotted, dashed,etc.)
ja: how is dotted vs dashed outline programmatically determinable?
gl: list includes...foreground color, background color, outline
(configurable color & thickness)
<jeanne> (a) foreground colors,
<jeanne> (b) background colors, and
<jeanne> (c) border (configurable color, style, and thickness)
gl: these are the minimum. in the implementation include annimation
if user can turn it off, or an icon to follow content focus
sh: when OS changes its cursor does the UA change also
jr: would like to drop the (with the same configurable range as the
operating environment's conventional selection utilities). seems
like overkill
js and kp disagree
gl: there needs to be a meaningful selection of choices. tho, there
are some OS that do not provide options
kp: leave it out\
js: leave it out
gl: what about flash, they don't have the same configuration
ability.
... are we talking about the user interface as well as content
kp: how big a hole is this?
all: leave out the clause.
gl: put note in implementation to provide more than 2 options of
highlighting options
1.4.1 (former 3.6.1) Configure Text: The user can globally set the
following characteristics of visually rendered text content, overriding
any specified by the author or user agent defaults (Level A):
gl: 1.3.1 globally seem optional, but in 1.4.1 globally seems
required
kf: assume all user configurations are global, exceptions are called
out
gl: needs to be clear when taken out of context, could be all text
in a given viewport
kp: leave it the way it is.
<jeanne> ACTION: JS to review document with Kim to insure that scope
of Global vs. individual is correct for each SC. [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2010/11/09-ua-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-464 - Review document with Kim to insure
that scope of Global vs. individual is correct for each SC. [on
Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-11-16].
kf: listed 3 things to specify. are we missing anything?
Resolution: the following are now completed--all of GL1.1, SC 1.2.1,
all of GL 1.3, and SC 1.4.1
1.4.2 Preserve Distinctions: The user can preserve distinctions in the
size of rendered text when that text is rescaled (e.g. headers continue
to be larger than body text) within absolute limitations imposed by the
platform. (Level A)
gl: "within absolute limitations imposed by the platform" is to
cover text only browsers
<jeanne> Meeting: UAWG Video Conference
if too complex or should be assumed could move to implementing
kf: would like to move platform statement to implementing document
ja: +1
gl: ok with moving it
1.4.2 Preserve Distinctions: The user can preserve distinctions in
the size of rendered text when that text is rescaled (e.g. headers
continue to be larger than body text)
<jeanne> Preserve Distinctions: The user can specify that
distinctions in the size of rendered text be preserved when that
text is rescaled (e.g. headers continue to be larger than body text)
within absolute limitations imposed by the platform. (Level A)
ja: use case of person with low vision to need base font large, but
if distinction scale with the base text, then the heading become too
large. uses a different mechanism to render distinctions
<Kim> The user can specify whether or not distinctions in the size
of rendered text be resized when that text is rescaled (e.g. headers
continue to be larger than body text)
<jeanne> 1.4.2 (former 3.6.2) Preserving Size Distinctions: The user
can specify that distinctions in the size of rendered text be
preserved when that text is rescaled (e.g. headers continue to be
larger than body text) within absolute limitations imposed by the
platform. (Level A)
The user can specify whether or not distinctions in the size of
rendered text are preserved when that text is rescaled (e.g. headers
continue to be larger than body text)
<jeanne> 1.4.2 (former 3.6.2) Preserving Size Distinctions: The user
can specify whether or not distinctions in the size of rendered text
are preserved when that text is rescaled (e.g. headers continue to
be larger than body text). (Level A)
<kford> rrs agent, make minutes
Resolution: 1.4.2 is completed!!
1.5.1 Global Volume: The user can independently adjust the volume of
all audio tracks the user agent renders, relative to the global volume
level set through operating environment mechanisms. However, if audio
is muted at the global level the user agent should not override this
unless the behavior is optional, not enabled by default, and the user
is cautioned as to its implications....
UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: (e.g. the alarm clock application on a mobile
device has an option to play the alarm even if the system is muted,
provided the check box is normally unchecked and is accompanied by
text cautioning the user about this behavior. (Level A)
ja: seems a bunch of this should be in implementing.
js: this is an open action, is a combining of old 3.7.1 and .2
<jeanne> However, if audio is
<jeanne> <jeanne> muted as the global level the user agent should
not override
<jeanne> this unless the behavior is optional, not enabled by
default, and the
<jeanne> user is cautioned as to its implications. (e.g. the alarm
clock
<jeanne> application on a mobile device has an option to play the
alarm even if
<jeanne> the system is muted
kp: do we have to say "user agent renders"
jr: +1
<Jan> However, user agent should only override a global mute when
the user has explitly requested this and has been cautioned about
the implications.
<Kim> The user can independently adjust the volume of all audio
tracks relative to the global volume level set through operating
environment mechanisms. However, if audio is muted at the global
level the user agent should not override this unless the behavior is
optional, not enabled by default, and the user is cautioned as to
its implications. (e.g. the alarm clock application on a mobile
device...
<Kim> ...has an option to play the alarm even if the system is
muted.)
<Jan> However, the user agent may only override a global mute when
on explicit user requested has the user has been cautioned about the
implication.
<Jan> However, the user agent may only override a global mute on
explicit user request and the user has been cautioned about the
implication.
The user can independently adjust the volume of all audio tracks
relative to the global volume level set through operating
environment mechanisms. However, the user agent may only override a
global mute on explicit user request and the user has been cautioned
about the implication.
<sharper> +1
+1
<Jan> However, the user agent may only override a global mute on
explicit user request and if the user has been cautioned about the
implication.
<Kim> +1
<kford> +1
The user can independently adjust the volume of all audio tracks
relative to the global volume level set through operating
environment mechanisms. However, the user agent may only override a
global mute on explicit user request and if the user has been
cautioned about the implication.
Resolution: GL 1.5 is completed!!
<jeanne>
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109.html
[30]
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1.6.1 Speech Rate and Volume: The user can set in synthesized speech,
overriding any values specified by the author (Level A):
for synthesized speech The user can set, overriding any values
specified by the author
jr: applicability notes, yes the author can override author
settings.
... a section at the start of the document, (WCAG conditions of
conformance), things that apply to all guidelines.
kp: 'the user can set
... implies overriding
kf: why is this here, for talking browsers?
... author does not set this, how can a user override it
jr: for speech this is like changing text scale
the user can set the following for synthesized speech
resolution: 1.6.1, 1.6.2, 1.6.3 are completed!!!
1.6.4 The following speech features are provided (Level AA): (a)
user-defined extensions to the synthesized speech dictionary, (b)
"spell-out", where text is spelled one character at a time, or
according to language-dependent pronunciation rules, (c) at least two
ways of speaking numerals: one where numerals are spoken as individual
digits and punctuation (e.g. "one two zero three...
UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: point five" for 1203.5 or "one comma two zero three
point five" for 1,203.5), and and one where full number are spoken
(e.g. "one thousand, two hundred and three point five"). (d) at
least two ways of speaking punctuation: one where punctuation is
spoken literally, and one where punctuation is rendered as natural
pauses.
jr: questions the usecase, implementation of these
kp: why 2 ways of reading numbers
... user should specify the way it can read numbers.
kf: assume talking browser...
kp: oh, thinking speech out vs speech in
*** 10 min break ***
1.6.4
<jeanne> 1.6.4 (former 3.8.4) Speech Features: The following text to
speech features are provided: (Level AA)
<jeanne> 1.6.4 (former 3.8.4) Text to Speech Features: The following
features are provided: (Level AA)
<jeanne> 1.6.4 (former 3.8.4) Synthesized Speech Features: For
synthesized speech, the following features are provided: (Level AA)
editors note about treatment of currency
<kford> ACTION: kford to ensure implementing doc addresses currency
for 1.6.4. [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2010/11/09-ua-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - kford
ja: is number speaking hard coded in the synthesizer.
<jeanne> +1
Resolution: 1.6.4 is complete, all of GL 1.6 is completed!!
1.7.1 Author Style Sheets: If the author has supplied one or more style
sheets, the user has the following options (Level A):
if one or more author style sheets are supplied....
<jeanne> ACTION: JS to review document with Kim to adjust all verb
tenses to present tense. [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2010/11/09-ua-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-465 - Review document with Kim to adjust
all verb tenses to present tense. [on Jeanne Spellman - due
2010-11-16].
1.7.1 if one or more author style sheets are supplied the user has
the following options:
kf +1
ja +1
<Greg> Should "select a style sheet" be "select a style sheet to be
applied"?
select and apply a style sheet
start at 11 eastern
gl: can the user apply more that one style sheet simultaneously
kp: for accessibility may want more than one.
<Greg> Consider saying something like "if..." the user has the
option to select none, one or more style sheets to be applied", e.g.
one user style sheet that makes all text large, another that
highlights the active element, etc.
kf: most people don't know that style sheets exist
kp: select and apply 1 or more style sheets
<jeanne> (a) select and apply one or more style sheets, or
kf: should be in best practices or implementation document
+1
<Greg> I think we want to move to the future where people can create
and distribute special-purpose user style sheets, and they can be
used together.
kp: like defined vs supplied
<jeanne> +1
1.7.1 if one or more author style sheets are defined the user has
the following options:
a. select and apply one or more style sheets
b. turn off style sheets
<mhakkinen> viewport or output medium?
gl: wants user to be able to use print style sheet on the screen
kf: current browsers allow user to select from all available.
<Greg> I think the wording does not require the user agent to allow
the user to select a style sheet for a different output medium (e.g.
using a print style sheet on the screen); it could just let the user
select from style sheets for the current medium. Is that
intentional?
[33]http://www.jimthatcher.com/
[33] http://www.jimthatcher.com/
<Greg> A solution might be "a) select and apply one from all
available style sheets". Not great but close.
<mhakkinen> suggestion: select and apply one or more available
styles available for the current viewport.
<Greg> Another example is where today you sometimes can't take
advantage of a simplified presentation on the screen, only in print.
use case: cognitive issues. want to print the page with out the
print style sheet. if print style sheet is used the paper copy looks
different from the screen copy and I am confused
<Greg> Another wording option would be "a) select and apply one or
more available style sheets, regardless of target medium"
<Greg> Style sheets for another medium might be better as lower
priority.
FF shows style sheets in form <link rel...> but does not show
@import style sheets to the user
1.7.1 if one or more author style sheets are defined the user has
the following options: a. select and apply one or more style sheets
b. turn off style sheets
<Greg> Should be "b) turn off author style sheets"
+1
<Kim> +1
1.7.1 if one or more author style sheets are defined the user has
the following options: a. select and apply one or more style sheets
b) turn off author style sheets
<Greg> I don't like but can live with the (a).
<jeanne> a) select and apply one or more available style sheets,
regardless of target medium"
<jeanne> User Style Sheets: If one or more user style sheets are
defined, the user has the following options: (Level A)
<jeanne> (a) select a style sheet, or
<jeanne> (b) turn off user style sheets.
<Greg> Except aren't we making the same as 1.7.1, "select and apply
on user style sheet"?
<jeanne> select and apply one or more style sheets, or
resolution: 1.7.1 and 1.7.2 are completed!!!
<jeanne> 1.7.1 (former 3.9.1) Author Style Sheets: If one or more
author style sheets are defined, the user has the following options:
(Level A)
<jeanne> (a) select and apply one or more author style sheets, or
<jeanne> (b) turn off author style sheets.
<jeanne> 1.7.2 (former 3.9.2) User Style Sheets: If one or more user
style sheets are defined, the user has the following options: (Level
A)
<mhakkinen> Finland signing off... see you tomorrow.
<jeanne> (a) select and apply one or more user style sheets, or
<jeanne> (b) turn off user style sheets.
1.8.1 Highlight Viewport: The viewport with the input focus (including
nested viewports and their containers) is highlighted, and the user is
able to customize attributes of the highlighted mechanism, including,
but not limited to, shape, size, stroke width, color, and blink rate
(if any). (Level A)
kf: if the SC are individually testable, why do we have 'and' in
them. that is 2 items to test
gl: earlier suggested combining where possible. but easier to test
if no 'and'
... then SC have to cross reference each other which makes reading
difficult to parse.
<jeanne> 1.8.1 needs attention
resolution: 1.8.1 needs attention - needs rewording
<jeanne> issue: 1.8.1 needs attention - confusing and meaning is
unclear.
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-78 - 1.8.1 needs attention - confusing and
meaning is unclear. ; please complete additional details at
[34]http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/78/edit .
[34] http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/78/edit
1.8.2 Move Viewport to Selection and Focus: When a viewport's selection
or input focus changes, the viewport moves as necessary to ensure that
the new selection or input focus location is at least partially in the
viewport. (Level A)
<Greg> Technically "in the viewport" should be "in the visible
portion of the viewport"
<Greg> I wish there was a concise term for "the visible portion of
the viewport".
<kford> Issue: Need a consise term forvisible portion of viewport.
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-79 - Need a consise term forvisible portion
of viewport. ; please complete additional details at
[35]http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/79/edit .
[35] http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/79/edit
Move Viewport to Selection and Focus: When a viewport's selection or
input focus changes, the viewport moves as necessary to ensure that
the new selection or input focus location is at least partially in
the visible portion of the viewport.
<Greg> Similarly, there's the question of whether "the viewport
moves" means "the viewport pans or scrolls" or "the visible portion
of the viewport is moved".
Resolution: 1.8.2 is completed!!
1.8.3 Resizable: The user has the option to make graphical viewports
resizable, within the limits of the display, overriding any values
specified by the author.
<Greg> Should "within the limits of the display" be "up to the size
of the display"?
kf: graphical viewport seems odd, do we use it anywhere else?
... 1.8.4 ... lots of places
kp: needs to be here
<Greg> If we took that phrase out "within the limits of the
display/up to the size of the display" woud it really change
anything?
<Greg> Would user agents ever let you resize a window or viewport
smaller but not larger?
resolution: 1.8.3 is completed!!
1.8.4 Scrollbars: Graphical viewports include scrollbars if the
rendered content (including after user preferences have been applied)
extends beyond the viewport dimensions, overriding any values specified
by the author.
gl: would like to postpone discussion of 1.8.4 till later
issue: talk about 1.8.4 later, greg to create clarification
<trackbot> Created ISSUE-80 - Talk about 1.8.4 later, greg to create
clarification ; please complete additional details at
[36]http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/80/edit .
[36] http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/80/edit
1.8.5 Viewport History: If the user agent maintains a viewport history
mechanism (e.g., via the "back button") that stores previous "viable"
states (i.e., that have not been negated by the content, user agent
settings or user agent extensions). It maintains information about the
page and embedded controls, including viewport scrolling, selection and
keyboard focus. It restores the...
UNKNOWN_SPEAKER: saved values when the user returns to a state in
the history.
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Greg figure out and or create SC for content reflow.
[recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2010/11/09-ua-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: JS to review document with Kim to adjust all verb
tenses to present tense. [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2010/11/09-ua-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: JS to review document with Kim to insure that scope of
Global vs. individual is correct for each SC. [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2010/11/09-ua-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: kford to ensure implementing doc addresses currency
for 1.6.4. [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2010/11/09-ua-minutes.html#action03]
[End of minutes]
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