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*User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
19 Aug 2010*
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2010/08/19-ua-irc
Attendees
Present
Greg, Gregory_Rosmaita, Jan, Jeanne, Jim_Allan, Kim_Patch,
kford
Regrets
Jim
Chair
Kelly_Ford_Jim_Allan
Scribe
Kim
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Requirements for Keyboard Access in HTML5 (HTML A11y TF)
Coordination
2. [6]November F2F
3. [7]UAAG review of ATAG last call document
http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-ATAG20-20100708/
4. [8]Writers Meeting Survey
http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100802/
* [9]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 19 August 2010
<oedipus> kford, agendum addendum request: Requirements for Keyboard
Access in HTML5 (HTML A11y TF) Coordination
<oedipus> kford, agendum addendum request: Requirements for Keyboard
Access in HTML5 (HTML A11y TF) Coordination
<kford> Feel free to add your item to the agenda.
<oedipus> agendum+ Requirements for Keyboard Access in HTML5 (HTML
A11y TF) Coordination
<oedipus> oedipus = Gregory J. Rosmaita
Requirements for Keyboard Access in HTML5 (HTML A11y TF) Coordination
<oedipus> Keyboard Access Requirements Recommendation from PFWG:
[10]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Access/pf_requirements
[10] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Access/pf_requirements
<inserted> scribenick: KimPatch
<kford> scribe: Kim
<oedipus> Access Key Replacement (HTML A11y TF wiki page)
[11]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Access
[11] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Access
<oedipus> is accesskey irretrievably broken as an attribute?
[12]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Talk:Access/access_key_requir
ements
[12] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Talk:Access/access_key_requirements
<oedipus> proposed first draft of "Access Element: Enabling Generic
Document Accessibility"
[13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2010May/att-0020
/access-element-20100519.html
[13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2010May/att-0020/access-element-20100519.html
<inserted> Oedipus: I want to get
I want to get from you a sense of what's missing -- what I need to
add to that discussion and that a plan to take to the HTML task
force and when we have a complete list of requirements I'd like
someone from this group to come to the HTML five task force so
someone with a deeper knowledge of what the discussion has been is
there.
<kford> Oedipus: I need to get a sense of how your work fits with
the other HTML5 work around access key and keyboard access.
<kford> Oedipus: We need to then take this to the HTML5
accessibility tf and get everything harmonized.
Oedipus: I have a proposed first draft of the access element which
is basically the same document which was vetted by this group as
well as -- there's a process problem in moving access element toward
any sort of public draft.
... I hope to salvage everything this group is working on on the
access element
... HTML five drag-and-drop versus aria drag-and-drop. I need to get
some momentum figure out what to discuss, then meeting
Kelly: can we exchange e-mail on this over the next several days --
could you initiate e-mail
Oedipus: will repost
<oedipus> Keyboard Access Requirements Recommendation from PFWG:
[14]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Access/pf_requirements
[14] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Access/pf_requirements
Oedipus: when we first put out the requirements there was a bit of
reaction and we should have come through this group first but I
think we can move forward constructively and contiguously
... as far as taking this before the task force there is no hard
deadline -- with longdesc and drag-and-drop things have been pushed
back somewhat
November F2F
<oedipus> XHTML2 and XForms have had virtual face2face meetings
Kelly: no meeting in France but we want to have a meeting in
November in some capacity to do something related to moving
ourselves to last call
<oedipus> XHTML2 and XForms just used IRC and Zakim
<oedipus> as well as skype bridging
<jeanne3> ACTION: jeanne to make a survey asking if a virtual
meeting is acceptable and to take a poll of dates in November
[recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/19-ua-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-426 - Make a survey asking if a virtual
meeting is acceptable and to take a poll of dates in November [on
Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-08-26].
Kelly: survey to get consensus on virtual meeting and best possible
times in November
<oedipus> plus 1 for virtual f2f
<oedipus> PFWG is planning a joint meeting with CSS WG at TPAC --
could bring UAWG issues (if any) before CSS WG then
<kford> zakim take up item 4
UAAG review of ATAG last call document
[16]http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-ATAG20-20100708/
[16] http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-ATAG20-20100708/
Kelly: deadline is September 2.
... any volunteers that will commit to reading through ATAG-- I will
Jim: I will -- important because we and they are unique amongst W3C
guidelines -- and very closely tied.
Kelly: if we bring our comments to the group that Thursday, send
them the second or a day later
<kford> ACTION: kford review atag and present to uaag by 9/2/2010
[recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/19-ua-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-427 - Review atag and present to uaag by
9/2/2010 [on Kelly Ford - due 2010-08-26].
<kford> ACTION: Jim to review atag andpresent to uaag by 9/2/2010
[recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/19-ua-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-428 - Review atag andpresent to uaag by
9/2/2010 [on Jim Allan - due 2010-08-26].
Writers Meeting Survey
[19]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100802/
[19] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100802/
<oedipus> [20]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100802/
[20] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100802/
<oedipus> [21]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100802/results
[21] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100802/results
<oedipus>
[22]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100802/results#xq1
[22] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100802/results#xq1
<oedipus> 1.4.1 "Follow Specifications"
[23]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100802/results#xq2
[23] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100802/results#xq2
<oedipus> Jan comment for q2: "The informative note seems very
relevant to the normative SC...I suggest moving it to the
guidelines."
<jeanne3> ACTION-425 - Rewrite intent for 1.1.x include Jan's
example. [on Jim Allan - due 2010-08-19].
Jan: the success criteria -- the intent is normative, but the note
is a pretty big exception, maybe it deserves to be normative, maybe
success criteria needs to be rewarded to take this into account
Kelly: if we did that in the conformance claim
Jan: an exception seems odd in that totally informative section of
the document
Greg: makes sense
<Greg> Something like "Render content according to the technology
specification, except where they would actually harm, rather than
improve, overall accessibility."
<Greg> Something like "Render content according to the technology
specification, except where it would actually harm overall
accessibility."
Kelly: any objections to giving Jeanne action to update the success
criteria-- no objections
<Greg> With that change the word "Note:" could be removed from the
second paragraph of the Intent section.
<jeanne3> ACTION: jeanne to update 1.4.1 to copy text in minutes to
the SC and to remove the word "Note:" from the Intent. [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/19-ua-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-429 - Update 1.4.1 to copy text in minutes
to the SC and to remove the word "Note:" from the Intent. [on Jeanne
Spellman - due 2010-08-26].
<oedipus> handle unrecognized techs:
[25]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100802/results#xq3
[25] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100802/results#xq3
1.4.2: handle unrendered technologies
<oedipus> kim noted needs a "should" jan noted "maybe "fashions" =>
"ways""
<jeanne3> ACTION: Jeanne to accept proposal for 1.4.2 including the
wordsmith changes in the survey #1 [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/19-ua-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-430 - Accept proposal for 1.4.2 including
the wordsmith changes in the survey #1 [on Jeanne Spellman - due
2010-08-26].
<oedipus> no objections
Kelly: any objections to wordsmithing changes -- no objections
... wordsmithing changes
1.4.3 Alternative content handlers
<kford> group agrees with just minor edits.
<jeanne3> ACTION: jeanne to update 1.4.3 with minor edits from the
survey #1 [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/19-ua-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-431 - Update 1.4.3 with minor edits from
the survey #1 [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-08-26].
3.1.3 Browse and Render
<oedipus> 3.1.3 Browse and Render:
[28]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100802/results#xq5
[28] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100802/results#xq5
<oedipus> Greg L's comments on 3.1.3 "Just a very minor editorial
suggestion: because the phrase "non-time-based media" is so
cumbersome and foreign to many readers, it might help to put the
meaningful examples in the main sentence and the technical term in
the parentheses. For example reword Intent b from "There are times
when a user cannot gain meaningful information from a non-time-based
media element (images, charts, graphs, etc.)" to "There are times
when a user canno
Kelly: your comments make sense
<oedipus> plus 1 to change
Jeanne: I like it -- I like anything that makes it easier to process
and improve cognition
<jeanne3> ACTION: jeanne to update 3.1.3 with the editorial comments
from the survey #1. [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/19-ua-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-432 - Update 3.1.3 with the editorial
comments from the survey #1. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2010-08-26].
<oedipus> Greg L comment continued: ""There are times when a user
cannot gain meaningful information from images, charts, graphs, etc.
(non-time-based media element)." and similarly for Intent a."
<oedipus> [30]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100802-2/
[30] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100802-2/
<oedipus> [31]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100802-3/
[31] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100802-3/
<oedipus> [32]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100802-4/
[32] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20100802-4/
Kelly: Google document -- talk more about the implementation
... get that document to Gregory, then pick up the discussion
<oedipus> FYI
[33]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/ARIAinHTML5
[33] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/ARIAinHTML5
Kelly: priorities -- next week one hour on surveys and get through
to them and spend 30 minutes on the uaag implementation that would
be great, and ATAG next Thursday
<oedipus> proposed text for ARIA in HTML5 spec section:
[34]http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/misc/HTML5/aria-html5-proposal
.html
[34] http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/misc/HTML5/aria-html5-proposal.html
Greg: keep in mind ATAG Doc is 41 pages
Kelly: what the gut feeling on including ARIA in HTML5
Oedipus: aria applies to any host language unless that host language
explicitly forbids it for element x or attribute y
Kelly: for those that want to give some time to ATAG I would one
survey and ATAG.
<Jan> bye
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Jeanne to accept proposal for 1.4.2 including the
wordsmith changes in the survey #1 [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/19-ua-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: jeanne to make a survey asking if a virtual meeting is
acceptable and to take a poll of dates in November [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/19-ua-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: jeanne to update 1.4.1 to copy text in minutes to the
SC and to remove the word "Note:" from the Intent. [recorded in
[37]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/19-ua-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: jeanne to update 1.4.3 with minor edits from the
survey #1 [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/19-ua-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: jeanne to update 3.1.3 with the editorial comments
from the survey #1. [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/19-ua-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Jim to review atag andpresent to uaag by 9/2/2010
[recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/19-ua-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: kford review atag and present to uaag by 9/2/2010
[recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2010/08/19-ua-minutes.html#action02]
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