- From: Simon Harper <simon.harper@manchester.ac.uk>
- Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:37:39 +0100
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HTML: http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-ua-minutes.html IRC: http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-ua-irc Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Jeanne on updating the draft to incorporate 3.5.x Container overflow options. When content overflows its containing element the user has the option to override any author-specified settings so as to display the entire content by either: (a) expanding the sizes of containing elements, or (b) enabling scrolling. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-ua-minutes.html#action05] [NEW] ACTION: JS not to make changes to 4.6 until the issue of consistency of the number ranges between the related guidelines is resolved. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-ua- minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: JS to add 3.5.x with the updated text above [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-ua-minutes.html#action06] [NEW] ACTION: JS to update 4.6 with the text above. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-ua-minutes.html#action01] [NEW] ACTION: mhakkine revise guidelines 4.9.6 to reflect that multimedia playback should represent the full spectrum of playback, synchronisation, and audio characteristics [recorded in http:// www.w3.org/2009/10/15-ua-minutes.html#action04] [NEW] ACTION: mth revise guidelines 4.9.6 to reflect that multimedia playback should represent the full spectrum of playback, synchronisation, and audio characteristics [recorded in http:// www.w3.org/2009/10/15-ua-minutes.html#action03] - DRAFT - User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference 15 Oct 2009 Agenda See also: IRC log Attendees Present Harper_Simon_(SH-sharper), Spellman_Jeanne_(JS-jeanne), Ford_Kelly_ (KF-KFord), Lowney_Greg_(GL-Greg), Swan_Henny_(HS-Henny), Hakkinen_Mark_(MH-mth), Patch_Kim_(KP-KimPatch) Regrets Allan_James_(JA-AllanJ), Richards_Jan_(JR) Chair Ford_Kelly Scribe Harper_Simon Contents Topics Logistics (Regrets, agenda requests, comments)? Continue meeting survey http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20090930/ 4.9.6 Slow Multimedia http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20090930/ results#xq4 3.5.x Container overflow options. http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/ 36791/20090930/results#xq8 Think about techniques in preparation for F2F. Talk about Guideline 4.9 Provide control of content that may reduce accessibility. review any new proposals sent to list Summary of Action Items <trackbot> Date: 15 October 2009 <scribe> scribe: Harper_Simon <scribe> ScribeNick: sharper <scribe> meeting: User Agent Working Group Telecon - 15 October 2009 Logistics (Regrets, agenda requests, comments)? Scribe schedule and scribing help: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/ scribing.html Attendance survey: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20090922/ Open Action Items: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/open Open Issues: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/open Current editors draft: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2009/ED-UAAG20-20090722/ <kford> Something sounds like a wind tunnel gone mad! KF: No logistical stuff to add Continue meeting survey http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20090930/ 4.9.6 Slow Multimedia http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20090930/ results#xq4 3 accepts / 1 change GL It should not be if a __ track "is present" but if a ____ track "is being presented", as these restrictions should not apply if a track is present but disabled by a user option (e.g. audio muted, or the user chooses to turn off one or more tracks). • Just out of curiosity, what behavior is expected when audio and video are not synchronized? KF: Greg's Changes OK? JR: Wording tweak: as long as they are played at 75% of the original speed or higher. => down to 75% of the original speed. WCAG,ATAG-style would put "; and" on each item for clarity KF: What about Jan's Comments? ALL: discussion re Jan's wording - clarity only. KP: lets spell it all out using explicit from and to's <Greg> "when played at 75-100% of the original speed" <Greg> "when audio and video tracks are expected to be synchronized, synchronization is maintained when played at 75% through 100% of the original speed."? <Greg> "when audio and video tracks are expected to be synchronized, synchronization is maintained as long as they are played between 75% and 100% of the original speed." <Greg> "if a visual track is being presented, provide at least one setting between 40% and 60% of the original speed." <Greg> "f only an audio track is being presented, provide at least one setting between 75% and 80% of the original speed." <Greg> "if only an audio track is being presented, provide at least one setting between 75% and 80% of the original speed." 4.9.6 Slow Multimedia: The user can slow the presentation rate of recognized prerecorded audio and animation content, such that all of the following are true (Level A): * if only an audio track is being presented, provide at least one setting between 75% and 80% of the original speed. * if only a visual track is being presented, provide at least one setting between 40% and 60% of the original speed. * when audio and video tracks are expected to be synchronized, synchronization is maintained as long as they are played between 75% and 100% of the original speed. <Greg> Here's the complete revision: <Greg> 4.9.6 Slow Multimedia: The user can slow the presentation rate of recognized prerecorded audio and animation content, such that all of the following are true (Level A): <Greg> * if only an audio track is being presented, provide at least one setting between 75% and 80% of the original speed. <Greg> * if a visual track is being presented, provide at least one setting between 40% and 60% of the original speed. <Greg> * when audio and video tracks are expected to be synchronized, synchronization is maintained as long as they are played between 75% and 100% of the original speed. RESOLUTION: 4.9.6 Slow Multimedia: The user can slow the presentation rate of recognized prerecorded audio and animation content, such that all of the following are true (Level A): * if only an audio track is being presented, provide at least one setting between 75% and 80% of the original speed. * if a visual track is being presented, provide at least one setting between 40% and 60% of the original speed. * when audio and video tracks are expected to be synchron synchronization is maintained as long as they are played between 75% and 100% of the original speed. <jeanne> ACTION: JS to update 4.6 with the text above. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-ua-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-236 - Update 4.6 with the text above. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-10-22]. <jeanne> Resolution: Accept the recommended changes for 4.6 item: 4.9.X Increase Multimedia http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/ 36791/20090930/results#xq5 Results: 2 accept / 1 changes / 1 more discussion All: General discussion regarding wording of this point ... suggested - if only an audio track is presented, support playback speeds of between 110% and 250% of the original speed KF: discussion as to why there is a disparity between the two guidelines for increasing and slowing multimedia <jeanne> ACTION: JS not to make changes to 4.6 until the issue of consistency of the number ranges between the related guidelines is resolved. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-ua- minutes.html#action02] <trackbot> Created ACTION-237 - Not to make changes to 4.6 until the issue of consistency of the number ranges between the related guidelines is resolved. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-10-22]. ALL: After further discussion 4.9.6 is called into question (the speeds, ranges, and sync types) RESOLUTION: RESIND this resolution 4.9.6 Slow Multimedia RESOLUTION: RESIND Action 236 KF: do we need both speed up and slow down as separate points? Seems Not. <scribe> ACTION: mth revise guidelines 4.9.6 to reflect that multimedia playback should represent the full spectrum of playback, synchronisation, and audio characteristics [recorded in http:// www.w3.org/2009/10/15-ua-minutes.html#action03] <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - mth <scribe> ACTION: mhakkine revise guidelines 4.9.6 to reflect that multimedia playback should represent the full spectrum of playback, synchronisation, and audio characteristics [recorded in http:// www.w3.org/2009/10/15-ua-minutes.html#action04] <trackbot> Created ACTION-238 - Revise guidelines 4.9.6 to reflect that multimedia playback should represent the full spectrum of playback, synchronisation, and audio characteristics [on Markku Hakkinen - due 2009-10-22]. Resolved: with action-238 on MH 3.5.x Container overflow options. http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/ 36791/20090930/results#xq8 1 accept / 2 more discussion / 1 neutral Proposed 3.5.x Container overflow options. When text resized by the user overflows the containing element the user has the option to either: (a) expand the size of the containing element to display the text or (b) to override any author setting preventing scrollbars in order to display all of the text ALL: general discussion as to how this is implemented Greg, gives us a breakdown of this in HTML 4.01 ... GL: accept this as a good goal - now on to wording '3.5.x Container overflow options.When content overflows the containing element the user has the option to either: (a) expand the size of the containing element to display the content or (b) to override any author setting preventing scrolling in order to display all of the content' <Greg> Revised draft: 3.5.x Container overflow options. When content overflows its containing element the user has the option to either: (a) expand the size of the containing element to display the content, or (b) to override any author setting that prevent scrolling, in order to make all of the content available. <Greg> Revised draft #2: 3.5.x Container overflow options. When content overflows its containing element the user has the option to either: (a) expand the size of the containing element to display the content, or (b) to enable scrolling in order to make all of the content available. <Greg> Revised draft #3: 3.5.x Container overflow options. When content overflows its containing element the user has the option to override author settings to display the entire content by either: (a) expanding the sizes of containing elements to display their content, or (b) enable scrolling. <Greg> Revised draft 4: 3.5.x Container overflow options. When content overflows its containing element the user has the option to display the entire content by either: (a) expanding the sizes of containing elements, or (b) enable scrolling. This would override any author-specified settings. <Greg> Revised draft 5: 3.5.x Container overflow options. When content overflows its containing element the user has the option to display the entire content by either: (a) expanding the sizes of containing elements, or (b) enabling scrolling. This would override any author-specified settings. 3.5.x Container overflow options. When content overflows its containing element the user has the option to override any author- specified settings and display the entire content by either: (a) expanding the sizes of containing elements, or (b) enabling scrolling. 3.5.x Container overflow options. When content overflows its containing element the user has the option to override any author- specified settings so as to display the entire content by either: (a) expanding the sizes of containing elements, or (b) enabling scrolling. <Greg> I think we're trying to get UA to make this a global option, rather than a per-container option; do we want to make that explicit? That actually is an issue for a large number of SC in the guidelines. <scribe> ACTION: Jeanne on updating the draft to incorporate 3.5.x Container overflow options. When content overflows its containing element the user has the option to override any author-specified settings so as to display the entire content by either: (a) expanding the sizes of containing elements, or (b) enabling scrolling. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-ua-minutes.html#action05] <trackbot> Created ACTION-239 - On updating the draft to incorporate 3.5.x Container overflow options. When content overflows its containing element the user has the option to override any author- specified settings so as to display the entire content by either: (a) expanding the sizes of containing elements, or (b) enabling scrolling. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-10-22]. RESOLUTION: 3.5.x Container overflow options. When content overflows its containing element the user has the option to override any author- specified settings so as to display the entire content by either: (a) expanding the sizes of containing elements, or (b) enabling scrolling. <jeanne> ACTION: JS to add 3.5.x with the updated text above [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-ua-minutes.html#action06] <trackbot> Created ACTION-240 - Add 3.5.x with the updated text above [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-10-22]. KF: trying to find out who will be attending ALL: giving availability and status Think about techniques in preparation for F2F. Talk about Guideline 4.9 Provide control of content that may reduce accessibility. RESOLUTION: Deferred to next weeks meeting 22 October 2009 RESOLUTION: Deferred to next weeks meeting 22 October 2009 review any new proposals sent to list RESOLUTION: Non this week. Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Jeanne on updating the draft to incorporate 3.5.x Container overflow options. When content overflows its containing element the user has the option to override any author-specified settings so as to display the entire content by either: (a) expanding the sizes of containing elements, or (b) enabling scrolling. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-ua-minutes.html#action05] [NEW] ACTION: JS not to make changes to 4.6 until the issue of consistency of the number ranges between the related guidelines is resolved. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-ua- minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: JS to add 3.5.x with the updated text above [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-ua-minutes.html#action06] [NEW] ACTION: JS to update 4.6 with the text above. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/10/15-ua-minutes.html#action01] [NEW] ACTION: mhakkine revise guidelines 4.9.6 to reflect that multimedia playback should represent the full spectrum of playback, synchronisation, and audio characteristics [recorded in http:// www.w3.org/2009/10/15-ua-minutes.html#action04] [NEW] ACTION: mth revise guidelines 4.9.6 to reflect that multimedia playback should represent the full spectrum of playback, synchronisation, and audio characteristics [recorded in http:// www.w3.org/2009/10/15-ua-minutes.html#action03] [End of minutes]
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