- From: Henny Swan <hennys@opera.com>
- Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:57:08 +0100
- To: UAWG list <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
Henny note: Overall the proposal to allow unscripted client-server interaction thereby taking the onerous off the page author and into the browser is a huge benefit to accessibility. This means that validating forms, checking input and so on will be customized across sites with no reliance on JavaScript. Designers will not have to build form validation from the ground up each time and users can enjoy some consistency, less breakage and so on. HTML section: 4.10 Forms url: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/forms.html#forms issues: 1. Form validation Under form validation there is no stipulation that validation errors should be stylable by the page author using CSS and are currently only available as per how the UA styles them unless the page author knows JavaScript. This I see as an issue if browsers simply implement an arbitrary styling that some users find hard to read. As such there needs to be scope for validation errors to be stylable (without relying on JavaScript) or browser implementations to be as readable / accessible as possible (the latter being pretty subjective). My other fear is that if forms validation can not be styled without JavaScript page authors may skip using HTML5 webform validation as it messes up their design. We then get to a situation where we have developers refusing to adopt webforms in HTML5 in favour of their own styled forms which potentially could be inaccessble. Users in turn miss out. Anecdotally I know of a web designer who works predominantly with users with cognitive problems and wont use webforms if they can't easily be styled without JavaScript. Proposal for change: require that all error validation be stylable by the page author without relying on JavaScript. Not sure if this is in scope of HTML5 or is under UAAG. I'm told this is not so easy for a UA to do and that if we want to make the default error messages styleable, we would need to approach the CSSWG with the problem and have them find a solution to make them styleable. Apparently it could possibly work if they provided some sort of pseudo-element. UAWG related issue/concern: Do we have a UAAG guideline to enforce this / should it be covered in HTML5? Is it the case that UAAG can only say that the messages themselves need to be accessible, but can't say anything about making them author-styleable? 2. Date pickers Date pickers should be both keyboard accessible and able to be magnified in the browser. I think this is beyond the scope of HTML5 itself and covered in UAAG but mention it just to clarify. Proposal for change: UAWG related issue/concern: This should be covered in UAAG for keyboard accessibility I'm guessing. Cheers, Henny -- Henny Swan Web Evangelist Member of W3C Web Accessibility Initiative Education and Outreach Group www.opera.com/developer Personal blog: www.iheni.com Stay up to date with the Web Standards Curriculum www.opera.com/wsc
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