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minutes: User Agent Teleconference for 19 February 2009

From: Kelly Ford <kford@windows.microsoft.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:27:04 -0800
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19 Feb 2009

See also: IRC log<http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-irc>

Attendees
Present
AllanJ, KFord, Jeanne, Henny, sharper, Mark_Hakkinen
Regrets
+Jan
Chair
Jim Allan
Scribe
jeanne, KFord
Contents

 *   Topics<http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#agenda>
    *   Survey Results http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20090219/<http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#item01>
    *   audio-only presentation.<http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#item02>
    *   Action Item Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/open<http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#item03>
    *   Open Issues Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/open<http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#item04>
 *   Summary of Action Items<http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#ActionSummary>

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<AllanJ> title: UAWG telecon

<jeanne> scribe: jeanne
Survey Results http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20090219/

<scribe> ACTION: js to update the definition of assistive technology from the survey of Feb 19 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-137 - Update the definition of assistive technology from the survey of Feb 19 [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-26].

no objections.
audio-only presentation.

No objections.

<scribe> ACTION:JS to update glossary on audio-only presentation accepting the survey of 19 Feb [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#action02]

<KFord> Moving to definition of audio track.

<KFord> Proposal is to move this into the definition of track, which group hasn't discussed yet.

<KFord> 5 accepts for the proposal.

<KFord> Moving to definition of author styles.

<scribe> ACTION: JS to update glossary moving the paragraph on "audio track" into "track" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-138 - Update glossary moving the paragraph on \"audio track\" into \"track\" [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-26].

<KFord> 4 accepts and 1 recommend changing.

<KFord> Discussion around adding authoring tool to style.

<KFord> group trying to understand what DP means by authoring agent.

<scribe> ACTION: js to update glossary with the new definition of "author styles" from the survey of 19 Feb [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-139 - Update glossary with the new definition of \"author styles\" from the survey of 19 Feb [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-26].

<AllanJ> ACTION: JA to write DB about 'authoring agent' [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-140 - Write DB about 'authoring agent' [on Jim Allan - due 2009-02-26].

<KFord> JA going to clarify on list with DP but group going to accept proposal as is for now.

<KFord> Moving to definition of blinking text.

<KFord> Not a lot of consensus on this one. See survey results at http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20090219/results for more details.

<KFord> JA: What do we think?

<KFord> SH: If we don't use it, delete it.

<KFord> KF: I have a bit of a concern about removing blink in that most other software guidelines use this as a requirement. We don't use it at all?

<KFord> JA: We don't use this from what I saw.

<KFord> JS: We have a lot on flash.

<KFord> JA: But we do not have a definition of flash.

<KFord> JA: We should probably remove blink and add a definition of flash.

<scribe> ACTION: JS to add to the next survey: remove blink and add the ATAG definition of Flash [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-141 - Add to the next survey: remove blink and add the ATAG definition of Flash [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-26].

<AllanJ> JA: change definition of override

<KFord> JA: Anmy objections to remove blink.?

<KFord> None heard.

<KFord> s/anmy/any

resolved: leave the "blinking text" in the definition of "override"

<KFord> Moving to definition of character encoding.

<KFord> Proposal is to delete with 5 accepts.

<KFord> Term isn't used.

<KFord> Character encoding to be deleted.

<KFord> Moving to definition of captions.

<scribe> ACTION: JS to update glossary to remove the definition of "character encoding" per the 19 Feb survey [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#action07]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-142 - Update glossary to remove the definition of \"character encoding\" per the 19 Feb survey [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-26].

<KFord> Survey results not at consensus. See results for details.

<KFord> KF: We could either agree that people won't get confused or we could add a statement to help avoid confusion around the table caption tag.

<KFord> JA: I think this confusion was around the way the definition was presented.. Explains further.

<AllanJ> caption: An equivalent alternative that takes the form of text presented and synchronized with time-based media to provide not only the speech, but also non-speech information conveyed through sound, including meaningful sound effects and identification of speakers. In some countries, the term "subtitle" is used to refer to dialogue only and "captions" is used as the term for dialogue plus...

<AllanJ> ...sounds and speaker identification. In other countries, "subtitle" (or its translation) is used to refer to both. Open captions are captions that are always rendered with a visual track; they cannot be turned off. Closed captions are captions that may be turned on and off. The captions requirements of this document assume that the user agent can recognize the captions as such. Note: Other...

<AllanJ> ...terms that include the word "caption" may have different meanings in this document. For instance, a "table caption" is a title for the table, often positioned graphically above or below the table. In this document, the intended meaning of "caption" will be clear from context.

<KFord> More discussion around will people find caption confusing.

<KFord> JA: Captioning is the act of creating captions.

<KFord> JS: The act is U.S. usage I think.

<KFord> SH: I think o f captioning as being time based and caption the stuff you add.

<KFord> JA: Any objections to the definition at this point?

<KFord> none heard.

<scribe> ACTION: js to updat glossary with "captions" as proposed in the 19 Feb survey [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#action08]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-143 - Updat glossary with \"captions\" as proposed in the 19 Feb survey [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-26].

<KFord> Moving to definition of configure, control, user option

<KFord> No consensus, see survey results.

<KFord> JA reads survey responses.

<KFord> JA: I think this one is up in the air.

<KFord> JS: Trying to think about how to break it down to find the things we've reached consensus on.

<KFord> JA: As it stands it talks about the author and not really related to the user agent.

<AllanJ> When a user is presented with choices. An option may result in an immediate short term change (change volume) or persistent preference change (default font family and size for all content)

<KFord> SH: I like Jim's definition better. See text.

<scribe> ACTION: js to add a new definition of "option" to next weeks survey: When a user is presented with choices. An option may result in an immediate short term change (change volume) or persistent preference change (default font family and size for all content) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#action09]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-144 - Add a new definition of \"option\" to next weeks survey: When a user is presented with choices. An option may result in an immediate short term change (change volume) or persistent preference change (default font family and size for all content) [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-26].

<KFord> Moving to definition of content

<KFord> Survey has 5 accepts.

issue: take definition of configure, control, user option from the 21 January Editor's draft and move it to Techniques document.

<trackbot> Created ISSUE-34 - Take definition of configure, control, user option from the 21 January Editor's draft and move it to Techniques document. ; please complete additional details at http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/34/edit .

<KFord> group going with definition for content from survey.

<KFord> Moving to definition of device independence

<KFord> 4 accepts and 1 disagree.

<KFord> JA: We do use the term but only in the intro.

<KFord> JA: We don't generally define terms in intro since that's just informative.

<scribe> ACTION: JS to update the glossary with definition of "content" from 19 Feb survey [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#action10]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-145 - Update the glossary with definition of \"content\" from 19 Feb survey [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-26].

<scribe> ACTION: delete the definition of "device-independence" from the glossary [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#action11]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - delete

<scribe> ACTION: js to delete the definition of "device-independence" from the glossary [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#action12]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-146 - Delete the definition of \"device-independence\" from the glossary [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-26].
Action Item Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/open

<KFord> ACTION: JS to update scribing document with new details on item management [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#action13]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-147 - Update scribing document with new details on item management [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-26].

<AllanJ> MH to propose definition of 'audio' to include 'live' audio

<AllanJ> proposed: The technology of sound reproduction. Audio can be created synthetically (including speech synthesis), streamed from a live source (such as a radio broadcast), or recorded from real world sounds.

<KFord> MH ATAG left out streamed live.

<KFord> No objections.

<scribe> ACTION: js to update definition of audio: The technology of sound reproduction. Audio can be created synthetically (including speech synthesis), streamed from a live source (such as a radio broadcast), or recorded from real world sounds. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#action14]

[13:49] <KFord> MH ATAG left out steamed live.

<trackbot> Created ACTION-148 - Update definition of audio: The technology of sound reproduction. Audio can be created synthetically (including speech synthesis), streamed from a live source (such as a radio broadcast), or recorded from real world sounds. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-26].

<KFord> JA: Is it helpful to go through items where we have consensus.

<KFord> SH: If there's consensus we can really just move on and just acknowledge the consensus in the minutes.

<KFord> MH: agree.

<KFord> JS: We should assume people are unable to see the survey so should at least make the results visible in the minutes.

<KFord> JA: My concern was if we are taking up too much time on the ones we have agreement on?

<KFord> JS: I think it is a minute each.

<KFord> MH: Is there any way in the survey tool to get people who are not responding to ask why?

<KFord> JA: I think this is more a partisipation issue in general.

<KFord> A bit more discussion. Group seems to think going through isn't bad.

<KFord> JA: Simon mentioned on the list that we have 33 open issues. We should go through them in a list.
Open Issues Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/issues/open

<KFord> Group looking at introduction.

<KFord> SH: I see about five or six that we've done.

<KFord> JS: I'd like to close the definitions to keep the process for W3C purposes coordinated.

<KFord> KF: What's the difference between action and issue.

<KFord> JS: Actions are to do items. Issues are need of further discussion.

<KFord> More discussion. Group agrees that some issues are really actions. Will clean up existing documents.

<AllanJ> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/tracker/actions/open

<KFord> JA: Everyone please review your actions and see what's been done.

<KFord> Scribe: KFord

Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: delete the definition of "device-independence" from the glossary [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: JA to write DB about 'authoring agent' [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: js to add a new definition of "option" to next weeks survey: When a user is presented with choices. An option may result in an immediate short term change (change volume) or persistent preference change (default font family and size for all content) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: JS to add to the next survey: remove blink and add the ATAG definition of Flash [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: js to delete the definition of "device-independence" from the glossary [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#action12]
[NEW] ACTION: js to updat glossary with "captions" as proposed in the 19 Feb survey [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: js to update definition of audio: The technology of sound reproduction. Audio can be created synthetically (including speech synthesis), streamed from a live source (such as a radio broadcast), or recorded from real world sounds. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#action14]
[NEW] ACTION: JS to update glossary moving the paragraph on "audio track" into "track" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: JS to update glossary on audio-only presentation accepting the survey of 19 Feb [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: JS to update glossary to remove the definition of "character encoding" per the 19 Feb survey [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: js to update glossary with the new definition of "author styles" from the survey of 19 Feb [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: JS to update scribing document with new details on item management [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#action13]
[NEW] ACTION: js to update the definition of assistive technology from the survey of Feb 19 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: JS to update the glossary with definition of "content" from 19 Feb survey [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/19-ua-minutes.html#action10]

[End of minutes]
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