- From: Jan Richards <jan.richards@utoronto.ca>
- Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:23:03 -0400
- To: UAWG <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
Minutes:
http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-ua-minutes.html
Action Items:
ACTION: SH draft new rationale text for 4.1 keyboard shortcuts
ACTION: MH draft rational text for each x.1 guideline
ACTION: JS to To record previous example "resizing window" in techniques
ACTION: JS will write a new guideline that includes the requirements for
content display of keyboard shortcuts.
ACTION: JS draft a content-oriented keyboard shortcut proposal and check
w/ Jan
Full text:
WAI-UA
03 Jul 2008
Agenda
See also: IRC log
Attendees
Present
[Microsoft], Jeanne, Judy, Kelly_Ford, Simon_Harper, Jan_Richards,
Judy_Brewer, Mark_Hakkinen, Jeanne_Spellman
Regrets
Chair
Judy
Scribe
Jan
Contents
* Topics
1. 4.1.1
2. 4.1.2
3. 4.1.3
4. 4.1.4
5. 4.1.5
* Summary of Action Items
<scribe> Scribe: Jan
All; Introductions
Including new members Simon Harper and Mark Hakkinen.
JB: Jim Allan is on vacation...way offline
<scribe> Agenda:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008JulSep/0004.html
JS: This doc
(http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2008/keyboardProposals20080702.html)...
... Comes from me trying to follow what's going on...so I've brought it
all together into one document
... Once I did it, it seems like a useful thing to share
... So now looks different than usual
... Ifyou look at it...took allgls in 4.1
... Each has existing text and then proposed text
... Tried to put proposals in as Notes for reference purposes
... Let's start at 4.1...we were missing an introduction
KF: Comment...how specific...before rattling off populations...needs to
summarize all users...
... Say"accomodating a wide range of users that includes..."
JR: No other intros...but ok...many musts.
JB: Should not be ad libbing structure of doc
JR: ATAG has rationale
JB: Some people may try and grab guideline level text as normative even
if we say its not
... Can we move this somewhere else
JR: Can we reuse another structur...do we need it ? Or can it be rationale?
JS: Yes
... I added because of difficulties JB was having in TEITAC...that's
where I was coming from...I'm not attached to it
JB: Reason for doing=Rationale
... Looking at ATAG...
... Another reason for being conservative here is that we need it all
throgu UAAG2
... Looking at wcag2...they have principle, guideline and success criteria
... Principle, guideline very terse
... They handle rationale by passing person to Understanding doc
SH: Looks like a defintion
... Less like rationale
JB: Think rationale comes through and defintiion is there too
... Each of 3 sentences is different
SH: Def section?
JB: Yes a glossary
... I'm wondering about "most universal" construct
SH: Can I volunteer to rewrite?
JB: Just a sec...
... Do we want rationale under each.
KF: Think we do want "Rationale"
MH: I like rationale there.short and sweet
... Like ATAG
JB: Thought exercise...on "rationale" if we skim rest of UAAG2 draft...
JR: I think so.
JB: Let's just look....
... Picking...3.6
JR: Think we can
JB: 4.3...
SH: Pragmatically...if we can't create rationale...there is a prob
JB: Right...apologize for playing devil's advocate
... Just worried by how many meetings would be required
MH: How many people?
JB: Participation hasn't stabilized.
... Prob. 7-8 core by sept
MH: I have some level of energy for this
SH: Maybe let's see how it works for keyboard
JR: We can borrow a lot from ATAG
JB: I appreicate enthusiamsm from Simon and Mark...do wyou want to look
at drafting...incl importing from ATAG.
SH: Maybe lets's do 1.2, 2.2, 3....
JB: Good idea
... For approach let's do as concisely as possible
... So JS if you feel anything will be lost...maybe propose way of
moving them back
JS: THink its all there below...I was just trying to make it clear
JB: So nothing more to talk about re: 4.1 paragraph
4.1.1
JB: Existing, Proposed,...
<Judy> ACTION: SH draft new rationale text for 4.1 keyboard shortcuts
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-ua-minutes.html#action01]
<Judy> ACTION: MH draft rational text for each x.1 guideline [recorded
in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-ua-minutes.html#action02]
JR: Just wants to make sure "functionality" is clear enough
<Judy> http://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG10-TECHS/
JB: We seem ok with Jeanne's proposal
<scribe> ACTION: JS to To record previous example "resizing window" in
techniques [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-ua-minutes.html#action03]
4.1.2
JS: Only title change
JB: Some requirements moving away from titles
... So came to "Documentation of Precedence of Keystroke Processing"
... And another requirement had the same title
JB, JR: DDiscuss why there are 2 and why document is higher priority
JS: Wondering where it should be documented
JB: TEITAC had lots of dscussion on where things should be documented
... I recall I was on calls with KF where progress was made
... JS had some language..."prominent in the documentation"
... Maybe we could use the same wording...in the same place
JS: So co-located with list of shortcut keys
JR: Agreed
JB: Totle ok
... Ttle ok
4.1.3
JB: No change
4.1.4
JB: No change
4.1.5
JB: Available keystrokes...
... So Jeanne tried to bring in some other stuff.
KF: Editorial..."both"
JR: Quite different than it was.
JS: Right
JB: We will come back to title
JR: Try to avoid "content"
<KFord> Jan raised concerns over recognized.
<KFord> 4.5 rewritten to 4.1.5 Available Keyboard Shortcuts: The user
can always determine available keyboard shortcuts by all of the following:
<KFord> list of 3 items
<KFord> � (a) A user setting in which keyboard shortcuts for currently
available controls are visually displayed (e.g. an underlined letter or
inclusion in a user
<KFord> interface menu).
<KFord> � (b) If a keyboard shortcut exists for a component, then it is
available programmatically to assistive technology.
<KFord> � (c) A list of all keyboard shortcuts that is prominent in the
documentation.
<KFord> list end
<KFord> JB: two concerns.
<KFord> people thinking keyboard shortucts in content when we meant chrome.
<KFord> JB explained user interface keyboard provision in response from
Simon.
<KFord> JB: 4.15 is the ability of the user to determine keyboard
shortcuts in the way that works best for the way they are accessing the
user agent e.g. screen reader, looking at product and such.
<KFord> JB clarifying 4.1.5 and 4.1.7.
<KFord> JAN expressed opinion that current proposal has lost key content.
<KFord> Talk about meeting logistics. Can we meet for 90 minutes to make
progress?
<KFord> Anyone have a conflict going to 90 minutes asked by JB?
<KFord> Simon expressed desire to start early verssu going late.
<KFord> Simon willing to give the later time a chance.
<KFord> JB: Going to try 90 minutes
<KFord> JB: can we go 15 minutes past the hour.
<KFord> JB: asked if group can go for 15 minutes.
<KFord> KFord not able to but group will continue.
<jeanne> scribe nick: jeanne
<jeanne> ACTION: JS will write a new guideline that includes the
requirements for content display of keyboard shortcuts. [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-ua-minutes.html#action04]
<jeanne> JB: is there a reason that the word "component" is used rather
than User Interface Application Controls?
<jeanne> JR: the length of the phrase. That was why we went toward
"chrome" because that was recognized in the industry.
<jeanne> SH: Let's drop the phrase "for a component" so it reads, If a
keyboard shortcut exists, then it is available programmatically to
assitive technology".
<jeanne> JB: Flag 4.1.5 (c) for more discussion. JB is concerned that
"prominent" may not be sufficient.
<Judy> ACTION: JS draft a content-oriented keyboard shortcut proposal
and check w/ Jan [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2008/07/03-ua-minutes.html#action05]
<jeanne> present?
Judy Brewer wrote:
>
> User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group (UAWG) Teleconference
> for 3 July 2008
>
> Chair: Judy Brewer
> Date: Thursday, 3 July 2008
> Time: 2:00-3:00 pm Boston Local Time, USA (19:00-20:00 UTC/GMT)
> Call-in: Zakim bridge at: +1-617-761-6200, code 82941# for UK use
> 44-117-370-6152
> IRC: sever: irc.w3.org, port: 6665, channel: #ua.
>
> Agenda:
>
> 1. Regrets, agenda requests, comments?
>
> 2. Keyboard access and visibility of keyboard controls
> - please see Jeanne's updated keyboard proposal document:
> http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2008/keyboardProposals20080702.html
> - given the short meeting notice (our apologies on that), we will work
> our way through this and flag issues for discussion as needed, but not
> make final decisions on any of the items.
>
> Thanks, and talk to you soon!
>
> - Judy
>
>
> --
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> Director, Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI), World Wide Web Consortium
> (W3C)
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>
>
--
Jan Richards, M.Sc.
User Interface Design Specialist
Adaptive Technology Resource Centre (ATRC)
Faculty of Information (i-school)
University of Toronto
Email: jan.richards@utoronto.ca
Web: http://jan.atrc.utoronto.ca
Phone: 416-946-7060
Fax: 416-971-2896
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