- From: David Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net>
- Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:11:33 -0400
- To: "Jan Richards" <jan.richards@utoronto.ca>
- Cc: "'WAI-UA list'" <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
I'm not sure what a note would look like, but what if we just used: >> <<<second attempt>>> >> 4.1.1 Keyboard Operation: All functionality can be *operated via the >> keyboard* using *sequential* and/or *direct* keyboard commands that do >> not require specific timings for individual keystrokes, except where the >> underlying function requires input that depends on the path of the user's movement and not just the endpoints. >>> end of second attempt<<< Using except in this way creates a fall through without a confusing and potentially misleading example. Painting might be a better example. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Richards" <jan.richards@utoronto.ca> To: "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@comcast.net> Cc: "'WAI-UA list'" <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 4:49 PM Subject: Re: Addendum : User Agent Teleconference for 10 April 2008 Agreed, but the requirement in question is focussed on what needs to be done with a keyboard device. So maybe this belongs in an informative note? Cheers, Jan David Poehlman wrote: > This is why I want to drop except because it presents a false boundary and > instead, we need a deffinition cutoff. I agree that my answer is not > testable. I'm actually not thinking that we will ever do flying with the > keyboard but may do more complex things than we are doing now and would > not > like to limit that. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Richards" <jan.richards@utoronto.ca> > To: "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@comcast.net> > Cc: "Jim Allan" <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>; "'WAI-UA list'" <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org> > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 4:35 PM > Subject: Re: Addendum : User Agent Teleconference for 10 April 2008 > > > Hi Dave, > > I'm just afraid that "such that its complexity would overwhelm > efficiency" isn't sufficiently testable. > > BTW: For keyboard users who are blind, I wonder if the future > improvement that will make the most difference for tasks such as > painting and flying helicopters will be 2D haptic tablets, since they > have the potential to provide the rich spatial feedback that is needed > to use mouse/stylus/joystick devices. > > Cheers, > Jan > > > David Poehlman wrote: >> all the examples I have seen thus far talk about brush strokes and flying >> helicopters and the like and not free hand drawing. One idea is to come >> up >> with language that gets the point across without hard coding an >> exception. >> <<<an attempt>>> >> 4.1.1 Keyboard Operation: All functionality can be *operated via the >> keyboard* using *sequential* and/or *direct* keyboard commands that do >> not require specific timings for individual keystrokes, except where the >> underlying function requires input that depends on the path of the >> user's movement and not just the endpoints, such that its complexity >> would >> overwhelm efficiency. >>>>> end of attempt<<< >> Some tweaking may be in order here, to get across the actual point being >> made for instance, taking out the except altogether and using a different >> approach before the end note but as it currently stands above, it seems >> to >> achieve the objective without compromise. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jim Allan" <jimallan@tsbvi.edu> >> To: "'WAI-UA list'" <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org> >> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 1:46 PM >> Subject: Addendum : User Agent Teleconference for 10 April 2008 >> >> >> >> URL added for agenda item: >> c. review compromise language for Level A success criteria >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008AprJun/0027.html >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: w3c-wai-ua-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ua-request@w3.org] On >> Behalf >> Of Jim Allan >> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 2:54 PM >> To: 'Jan Richards'; 'WAI-UA list' >> Subject: User Agent Teleconference for 10 April 2008 >> >> >> User Agent Teleconference for 10 April 2008 >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> Chair: Jim Allan >> Date: Thursday, 10 April 2008 >> Time: 2:00-3:00 pm Boston Local Time, USA (19:00-20:00 UTC/GMT) >> Call-in: Zakim bridge at: +1-617-761-6200, code 82941# for UK use >> 44-117-370-6152 >> IRC: sever: irc.w3.org, port: 6665, channel: #ua. >> ------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Agenda: >> >> 0. Regrets, agenda requests, or comments to the list >> >> 1. Continue Keyboard Access discussion: >> >> a. review Keyboard Operation: >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008AprJun/0004.html >> >> b. JR and JA attempts at requirements that include visual indicators: >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008JanMar/0052.html >> >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008JanMar/0053.html >> >> c. review compromise language for Level A success criteria...coming soon. >> Will post addendum when url available. >> >> d. Review Level AA and AAA success criteria. Current text (see 4.1): >> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-UAAG20-20080312/#principle-operable >> >> Jim Allan, Webmaster >> Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired >> 1100 W. 45th St. >> Austin, TX 78756 >> 512-206-9315 >> >> >> >> >> > -- Jan Richards, M.Sc. User Interface Design Specialist Adaptive Technology Resource Centre (ATRC) Faculty of Information Studies University of Toronto Email: jan.richards@utoronto.ca Web: http://jan.atrc.utoronto.ca Phone: 416-946-7060 Fax: 416-971-2896
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