- From: Jim Allan <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>
- Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 14:20:28 -0600
- To: WAU-ua <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
- Cc: Jan Richards <jan.richards@utoronto.ca>
see also http://www.w3.org/2006/02/02-ua-minutes.html [12:57] *** #ua: scribe RRSAgent Zakim @JR [12:57] *** #ua was created on Thu Feb 02 12:56:40 2006. [12:58] JR: Meeting: WAI UA [12:58] JR: Chair: Jim Allan [13:01] *** Al has joined #ua. [13:01] JR: hi Al [13:02] scribe: Hi All, I am on the phone [13:03] *** cklaws has joined #ua. [13:04] scribe: * al how do I not be scribe? [13:04] scribe: this is jim [13:07] *** You are now known as jallan. [13:08] * Al Jim, it has something to do with using scribe: to designate the scribe and not /nick ... [13:09] * Al but I am on break from my JB call, will be with you NLT 2:30 [13:11] jallan: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cdf/2006Jan/0068.html [13:11] JR: WAI last call comments on CDF, WICD, WICD Full, WICD Mobile, WICD Core [13:12] JR: Topic: WAI last call comments on CDF, WICD, WICD Full, WICD Mobile, WICD Core [13:12] JR: JA: Now seems to read MathML [13:12] JR: DP: Because Jaws now reads unicode [13:13] JR: CL: IBM has done an internal WindowEyes and Firefox report [13:15] JR: DP: Firefox now behaving much more like IE with Jaws. [13:17] JR: JA: Waiting for Al to join. [13:17] JR: JA: Al wants our input on Accesskey doc [13:18] JR: JA: UA Comments on Compound Docs combined with PF comments and submitted. [13:18] JR: JA: We'll need some compound doc test cases: SVG, MathMl etc. [13:20] JR: JR: Opera 8 has native SVG support [13:20] JR: Topic: Other business from CG [13:20] *** dpoehlman has joined #ua. [13:21] JR: JA: Networking opportunities with other groups. [13:22] JR: Topic: Screen Readers and Firefox [13:22] JR: Aaron: Jaws not ready for FF [13:22] JR: Aaron: no official support for several months [13:25] JR: Aaron: We have done WindowEyes and FF, but with bugs filed for FF [13:25] JR: Aaron: Check out bug 24413 in bugzilla for FF (have uaag in title) [13:26] JR: Aaron: Some other bugs - look for "uaag" [13:26] JR: Aaron: FF on Mac is not very accessible - because Mac readers son't use DOM? [13:27] JR: Aaron: 2 probs - (1) uses Carbon instead of Coco (2) nobody has signed up for Mac access. [13:27] JR: for FF [13:28] JR: Because Safari is so big on Mac [13:29] JR: JA: SVG? [13:29] JR: Aaron: Yes there is some native support for SVG in FF? [13:29] JR: rem ? [13:31] JR: JA: In compound docs there was questions about passing focus into and out of different types of content ALSO sub links [13:32] Al: Zakim, code? [13:32] Zakim: sorry, Al, I don't know what conference this is [13:32] Al: Zakim, this is WAI_U [13:32] Zakim: ok, Al; that matches WAI_UAWG()2:00PM [13:32] Al: Zakim, call AlGilman-home, please [13:32] Zakim: ok, Al; the call is being made [13:32] Zakim: +AlGilman [13:33] JR: Aaron: Using depth first search on layout object tree. [13:34] JR: Aaron: Some things are focussable, but not tabable (e.g. items in a drop down list) [13:34] JR: Topic: Accesskeys with Al [13:34] jallan: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2006JanMar/0016.html [13:35] JR: Al: The HCG recognizes Accesskeys are problematic but desirable... [13:36] JR: XHTML2 is coming up with a replacement. [13:36] JR: Al: we're supposed to bring use case to them next Friday. [13:36] JR: Al: Mobile phone people also interested in accesskeys. [13:38] JR: Al: Latest statement - there has to be a label - needs to be discoverable [13:39] JR: Al: Users would prefer to set their own mnemonics but MUST be able to access it somehow. [13:40] JR: Al: Overall, we're not taking a strong position. [13:41] JR: Al: But there are "firm requirements" [13:41] JR: JA: On user side the user simply needs to be able to found out what the keys are and what they do. [13:42] JR: Al: but in larger scheme, to capture mode apps to the web shortcut capability should be increased. [13:43] JR: Aaron: Can we give weight to pros and cons in "debatable" area [13:45] JR: JA: "Discoverable" requirement should be dug out and put at the top [13:46] JR: Al: Label is an operational model - must work like a label on a form control [13:47] JR: DP: Might feel better about author assignment if two paths - author specifies method of activation vs. generic method of activation [13:49] JR: AL: I need to add in authoring guidance that there is a preference for binding keys to roles when there is a relevant role already. [13:50] JR: Al: Use rel=home to identify a link that goes home---then browser is smart enough to interpret "h" keypress as meaning user wants to go home (ie.e. press that link) [13:51] JR: DP: Author trying to come up with way to activate non-standard things.. [13:52] JR: maybe easier to provide trigger and let user agent handle putting keys to triggers. [13:52] JR: Al: Loses all mnemonics [13:53] JR: Al: It's a tugofwar [13:54] JR: CL: Problem: HTML accesskeys --combines mnemonics with sahortcuts - these should be different. [13:54] JR: MMnemonics need to appear in label, shortcuts are different. [13:56] JR: CL: e.g. in chrome menu items, an underlined character is the mnemonic [13:58] JR: Al: In reqs it must be somehow discoverable. [13:59] JR: AL: IG - why not just mark the letter eg. with tag wrapping a key ---but T2speech chokes on that [14:00] JR: JA: What about negotiation... [14:02] JR: Al: Onscreen keyboards can process accesskeys, so can screen readers, could be a browser feature [14:03] JR: JA: What about authors who put the key in the title? [14:04] JR: Al: The UA's need to start showing access keys somehow - e.g. on mouseover, tabbing, etc. [14:06] JR: Action Al: Will modify reqs to add "discoverable" and author should bind access keys to available roles. [14:06] * RRSAgent records action 1 [14:07] JR: JA: on this timeslot next week will be a special meeting on the Mobile Web Berst Practices [14:08] JR: http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-mobile-bp-20060113/ [14:08] Zakim: -Aaron_Leventhal [14:09] JR: Action JR: Review for AU and send to JA. [14:09] * RRSAgent records action 2 [14:09] JR: Action JA: Review for UA [14:09] * RRSAgent records action 3 [14:09] *** cklaws has signed off IRC (Quit: cklaws). [14:09] Zakim: -[IBM] [14:10] Zakim: -DPoehlman [14:10] Zakim: -Jan_Richards [14:10] *** JR has signed off IRC (Quit: JR). [14:10] Zakim: -Jim_Allan [14:10] Zakim: -AlGilman [14:10] Zakim: WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has ended [14:10] Zakim: Attendees were Jim_Allan, [IBM], Jan_Richards, DPoehlman, Aaron_Leventhal, AlGilman [14:11] jallan: rrsagent, set logs world-visible [14:11] RRSAgent: I have made the request, jallan [14:12] jallan: rrsagent, draft minutes [14:12] RRSAgent: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2006/02/02-ua-minutes.html jallan Jim Allan, Webmaster & Statewide Technical Support Specialist Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired 1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756 voice 512.206.9315 fax: 512.206.9264 http://www.tsbvi.edu/ ---> Share to Win!! <---
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