Re: [Fwd: Question and comments about UAAG Test Suites]

Thank you for your comments, this really helps make the test
suites better.

I am not actively working on the test suites right now, but
maybe doing so in a few months.


Jon


---- Original message ----
>Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 13:17:24 -0500
>From: Jon Gunderson <jongund@uiuc.edu>  
>Subject: [Fwd: Question and comments about UAAG Test Suites]  
>To: jongund@uiuc.edu
>
>Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 22:05:51 +0900
>From: WATANABE Takayuki <nabe@lab.twcu.ac.jp>  
>Subject: Question and comments about UAAG Test Suites  
>To: Jon Gunderson <jongund@uiuc.edu>
>Cc: UA調査 <UAResearch@comm.twcu.ac.jp>
>
>Dear Prof. Gunderson
>CC: UA research ML
>
>Good moring Prof. Gunderson.  I'm Takayuki Watanabe.
>
>As I wrote you before, we, UA research project in Japan, used
UAAG WG
>Test Suites for HTML 4.01 [1] to test functions of Japanese user
>agents for visually impaired.
>
>While carrying out this project, we found some test files
seem to be
>broken.  Enclosed please find the list of such files.
>We appreciate it much if this information will help your
activity.
>
>We also want to ask some questions and comments on your test
files.
>We appreciate it much if you or UAAG WG could reply to these
questions
>and comments.
>
>[1] http://cita.rehab.uiuc.edu/wai-eval/index-ts.php?ts_id=1

>
>------
>I. broken? test files
>
>* test 253: JavaScript error in onClick="document.write("");".
>
>Here is the modified source code we use for our test:
><h2 class="test">Test</h2>
><div class="code">
><form action="../action/return.html"
enctype="application/x-www-form-urlencoded" method="get">
>  <label for="test-button">Test Button (Accesskey "b"): </label>
>  <input id="test-button" accesskey="b" value="Test Button" 
>  onClick="document.write('Test was successful. Click back on
your browser
>  to return to test suite.');" type="button" />
></form>
></div>
>
>
>* test 101: no "Echoed Value" control in HTML source
>
>Here is the modified source code we use for our test:
><script type="text/javascript">
> function changeTest ( form ) 
> {
>  form.echo.value = form.orig.value;
> }
></script>
>
><h2 class="test">Test</h2>
>
><div class="code">
>  <form action="../action/return.html">
> <label for="orig">Original Value:</label>
> <textarea id="orig" name="orig" rows="1" cols="20"
onChange="changeTest(this.form)">Original Value</textarea>
> <label for="echo">Echoed Value: </label>
> <input id="echo" />
>  </form>
></div>
>
>
>* test 134: frame-test does not contain longdesc attribute
>http://cita.rehab.uiuc.edu/wai-eval/frames/frame-test.html

>
>Here is the modified source code we use for our test:
><frameset rows="70%, 15%, 15%">
> <frame name="head" src="frame-test_files/frame-target1.htm"
> title="Frame Test Suite Information" scrolling="yes"
> longdesc="http://www.w3.org/" />
> <frame name="target1" src="frame-test_files/frame-target2.htm"
> title="Frame Test Suite Target 1" scrolling="yes"
> longdesc="http://www.w3.org/" "/>
> <frame name="target2" src="frame-test_files/frame-target3.htm"
> title="Frame Test Suite Target 2" scrolling="yes"
> longdesc="http://www.w3.org/" />
><noframes>
> This test suite requires frames to be supported and enabled by
> your browser.
> Please enable frames to use this suite.
></noframes>
></frameset>
>
>
>* test 136: the following test file does not exist.
>http://cita.rehab.uiuc.edu/wai-eval/show-test/0203-FRAME-TITLE-TEST.html

>
>
>* test 169: width and height attribute are necessary in IE
>
>Here is the modified source code we use for our test:
><h2 class="test">Test</h2>
><div class="code">
><object type="image/gif" data="img/test.gif" width="272"
height="50">
>test169.gif</object>
></div>
>
>
>* test 151: the following test file does not exist.
>http://cita.rehab.uiuc.edu/wai-eval/frames/frame-test-notitle.html

>
>
>* test 172: no refresh attribute in meta element 
>
>Here is the modified source code we use for our test:
><meta http-equiv="refresh" content="15;
url=http://www.w3.org/" />
>
>
>* test 174: no refresh attribute in meta element 
><meta http-equiv="refresh" content="5" />
>
>
>* test 176: width and height attribute are necessary in IE
>
>Here is the modified source code we use for our test:
><h2 class="test">Test</h2>
><div class="code">
><object data="img/test.gif" type="image/gif" width="272"
height="50">
>Test Image</object>
></div>
>
>
>* test 210
>* test 213:
>* test 215:
> Style sheets are not provided.
> 
> 
>* test 217: JavaScript error
>
>Here is the modified source code we use for our test:
><script type="text/javascript">
>window.open
('http://cita.rehab.uiuc.edu/wai-eval/show-test/../action/new-window-1.html',
'new_window', config='left=200, top=200, height=350,
width=400, toolbar=yes, menubar=yes, scrollbars=yes,
resizable=yes, location=yes, directories=yes, status=yes'); 
>window.open
('http://cita.rehab.uiuc.edu/wai-eval/show-test/../action/new-window-2.html',
'new_window2', config='left=400, top=300, height=350,
width=400, toolbar=yes, menubar=yes, scrollbars=yes,
resizable=yes, location=yes, directories=yes, status=yes');
></script>
>
>
>* test 194: < /> in not HTML 4.01
>
>Here is the modified source code we use for our test:
>for example
><textarea id="textarea" name="textarea" rows="2"
cols="30"></textarea>
>
>
>* test 224: we can not understand this test.
>for example
>
> <a href="#internal1" title="Test internal link 1" hreflang="en"
> type="text/html" shape="rect" name="internal1">Test Link 3</a>
>why href refers to the same element (href == name)?
>
> <a name="internal1" shape="rect" name="internal2"
> shape="rect">Internal Link Anchor 1</a>
>why this element has two name attributes?
>
> <a href="#internal1" title="Test internal link 1" hreflang="en"
> type="text/html" shape="rect" name="internal1">Test Link 3</a>
> <a name="internal1" shape="rect" name="internal2"
> shape="rect">Internal Link Anchor 1</a>
>There are two name attributes which have the same value.
>
>
>
>II. Comments and question on test files.
>
>* test 77: As the "Test Button" does not have any function, it is
>  difficult to know if this button is activated.
>  
><button id="button1" accesskey="b" name="name" type="button"
>value="value">Test Button</button> 
>
>
>* test 243: As this is ACCESSKEY test, the procedure and the
Results
>  should mention the use of accesskey.
>
>
>* test 118:  summary attribute for layout table should be NULL.
><table summary="layout table">
>ref: http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-HTML-TECHS/#layouttables_summary

>
>
>* test 265: I can not understand this test.
>Does "empty file" mean a file which name is "empty" or a file
which
>size is zero?  Does this test miss an empty empty.html file??
>
>
>* test 264: Is this UA's task to alert non-existent URL?
>
>
>* test 212, 214, 216: I think source HTML is wrong.
>for example in test 212,
>
> <p src="../images/homer.wav" controls="volumelever"
type="audio/basic"
> autostart="true" loop="true" width="100"
height="50">Embedded audio
> volume control:</p>
> <embed src="../images/homer.wav" controls="volumelever"
> type="audio/basic" autostart="true" loop="true" width="100"
> height="50"></embed> 
>
>Why p element is used? 
>
>Is controls attribute valid in embed element?
>
>In what OS and browser, audio file is played with this source
code?
>
>
>* test 175:  I can  not understand this test.  What is the
success
>  result?
>
>
>* test 177, 179, 181: The differences between these tests are
>  not clear.
>
> 
>* test 228: The differences between test 227 and 228 is not
clear.
> I cannot understand what "Allow configuration" means.
>
>
>* test 222: summary attribute for layout table should be NULL.
>
>
>* test 195: I cannot understand what kind of results meet
this test.
>
>
>* Does this Test Suites have all necessary test files for
UAAG 1.0?
>Or are you preparing other test files in addition to these
test files?
>
>
>On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:14:07 -0500 
>Jon Gunderson <jongund@uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
>> Takayuki,
>> 
>> 1. Matt May no longer works for the W3C.
>> 
>> 2. There is a problem with the UAAG Test Suite website right
>> now, I hope it will be back up by tomorrow.  We upgraded the
>> server last weekend and there are still some configuration
>> problems.
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> 
>> ---- Original message ----
>> >Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 18:49:49 +0900
>> >From: WATANABE Takayuki <nabe@lab.twcu.ac.jp>  
>> >Subject: Re: Question about UAAG Test Suites  
>> >To: Jon Gunderson <jongund@uiuc.edu>
>> >Cc: Jim Allan <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>, Matt May
>> <mcmay@bestkungfu.com>
>> >
>> >Dear Jon Gunderson
>> >CC: Matt May,
>> >CC: Jim Allan,
>> >
>> >It seems that I had better to write again who I am and what I
>> want to do
>> >with Test Suites.
>> >
>> >I am a participant in WCAG WG and a chair of Japanese Web
Content
>> >Accessibility Guidelines (JIS X 8341-3) WG.  
>> >I, however, am not a participant in UAAG WG.
>> >
>> >As written in "Essential Components of Web Accessibility"
[1], 
>> >UAAG and ATAG as well as WCAG are important for Web
>> accessibility.
>> >Without a knowledge of currently available UAs, web authors
>> cannot
>> >make correct decisions about what kind of content (functions)
>> they can
>> >use.  
>> >
>> >At CSUN 2005, Matt made an interesting presentation [2] about
>> UAAG
>> >Test Suites.  I want to carry out the same kind of research
>> to know
>> >what functions Japanese UAs have and what is the difference
>> between
>> >Japanese UAs and English ones (actually, there is much
>> differences).
>> >
>> >Thus, I write an Email [3] to Matt to ask if I can use UAAG
>> WG's Test
>> >Suites.  Matt kindly replied to me and it says:
>> >
>> >On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 08:09:01 -0700 Matt May <mcmay@w3.org>
wrote:
>> >> Hi Takayuki,
>> >> 
>> >> Comments below.
>> >> 
>> >> WATANABE Takayuki wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> >Q1. There seems to be two versions of Test Suites for HTML
>> 4.01. 
>> >> >Which one should I use for our test?
>> >> >
>> >> >a) "UAAG 1.0 Test Suite for HTML 4.01"
>> >> >   http://cita.rehab.uiuc.edu/wai-eval/index-ts.php?ts_id=1

>> >> >   
>> >> >b) "Draft UAAG test suite for HTML 4.01"
>> >> >   http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/TS/html401/

>> >> >  
>> >> a) is the most up-to-date test suite.
>> >> 
>> >> >Q2.  If I should use a), may I have an account of this
site?
>> >> >  
>> >> Yes. I will contact Jon Gunderson about giving you an
account.
>> >
>> >Reading this reply, I decided to use a) [4]  for our test.
>> >And I obtained a budget to launch a UA research project
[5] from
>> >ministry of Japan and gathered members for this project.
>> >
>> >Actually I don't need an account of [4] if I don't have to
>> report our
>> >results to contribute to your work.
>> >
>> >What I really concern is the status of Test Suites.  
>> >For example, there is no test available at [4]!, which means
>> we cannot
>> >continue our project with [4].
>> >
>> >
>> >[1] http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/components.php

>> >
>> >[2] "W3C User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Test Suites
>> Version 2.0
>> >And Implementation Report", CSUN 2005.
>> >
>> >[3] Enclosed Email. "Question about UAAG Test Suites"
>> >
>> >[4] "UAAG 1.0 Test Suite for HTML 4.01"
>>
>http://cita.rehab.uiuc.edu/wai-eval/index.php?option=Test%20Suites

>> >
>> >[5] UA Research project (in Japanese, open to members only)
>> >http://www.comm.twcu.ac.jp/Z/UAResearch2005

>> >
>> >
>> >On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:27:29 -0500 
>> >Jon Gunderson <jongund@uiuc.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Takayuki,
>> >> 
>> >> There is currently a transition going on in the UA working
>> >> group and the status of the test suites is being
discussed.  
>> >> 
>> >> Are you a member of the UA working group?
>> >> 
>> >> Right now the tools are mainly designed for use by UA
members
>> >> in good standing.  Not knowing much about you I am reluctant
>> >> to give you access.
>> >> 
>> >> Jon
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> ---- Original message ----
>> >> >Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 08:10:53 -0700
>> >> >From: Matt May <mcmay@bestkungfu.com>  
>> >> >Subject: Re: Question about UAAG Test Suites  
>> >> >To: WATANABE Takayuki <nabe@lab.twcu.ac.jp>
>> >> >Cc: Jon Gunderson <jongund@uiuc.edu>
>> >> >
>> >> >Hi Takayuki,
>> >> >
>> >> >WATANABE Takayuki wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>>>Q2.  If I should use a), may I have an account of this
>> site?
>> >> >>>> 
>> >> >>>>      
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>Yes. I will contact Jon Gunderson about giving you an
>> account.
>> >> >>>    
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I didn't receive an account yet.
>> >> >>Could you please give me an account?
>> >> >>  
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >I no longer work for the W3C. I'm forwarding your
message to
>> >> Jon Gunderson.
>> >> >
>> >> >Jon, Takayuki wants access to the test suite site to do
>> >> evaluations.
>> >> >
>> >> >-
>> >> >m
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> Jon Gunderson, Ph.D., ATP
>> >> Director of IT Accessibility Services
>> >> Campus Information Technologies and Educational Services
>> (CITES)
>> >> and 
>> >> Coordinator of Assistive Communication and Information
>> Technology
>> >> Disability Resources and Education Services (DRES)
>> >> 
>> >> Voice: (217) 244-5870
>> >> Fax: (217) 333-0248
>> >> 
>> >> E-mail: jongund@uiuc.edu
>> >> 
>> >> WWW: http://cita.rehab.uiuc.edu/

>> >> WWW: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jongund/www/

>> >> 
>> >
>> >Best Regards
>> >--
>> >Takayuki Watanabe            <nabe@lab.twcu.ac.jp>
>> >Dept. Communication, Tokyo Woman's Christian University
>> >Tel: +81-3-5382-6524, Fax +81-3-3395-1816
>> >________________
>> >Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:37:43 +0900
>> >From: WATANABE Takayuki <nabe@lab.twcu.ac.jp>  
>> >Subject: Question about UAAG Test Suites  
>> >To: Matt May <mcmay@w3.org>
>> >
>> >Dear Matt May,
>> >
>> >I'm Takayuki Watanabe, a participant in WCAG WG and a member
>> of W3C.
>> >
>> >I'm writing this E-mail because I want to ask you a few
questions
>> >about UAAG 1.0 Test Suite.
>> >
>> >I am about to start a new project to test the capabilities of
>> Japanese
>> >user agents. 
>> >I want to use W3C/WAI Test Suites for this test but I have the
>> >following questions about the Test Suites.
>> >
>> >
>> >Q1. There seems to be two versions of Test Suites for HTML
4.01. 
>> >Which one should I use for our test?
>> >
>> >a) "UAAG 1.0 Test Suite for HTML 4.01"
>> >   http://cita.rehab.uiuc.edu/wai-eval/index-ts.php?ts_id=1

>> >   
>> >b) "Draft UAAG test suite for HTML 4.01"
>> >   http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/TS/html401/

>> >
>> >
>> >Q2.  If I should use a), may I have an account of this site?
>> >
>> >
>> >Q3.  There are 6 kinds of test results:
>> >Not Rated | Completed | Almost Complete | Partial
>> Implementation | 
>> >Not Implemented | Not Applicable.
>> >
>> >I think these 6 results can be divided into three groups.
>> >
>> >a) exception:
>> >NA: This test cannot be applicable to this user agent.
>> >
>> >b) degree of progress:
>> >C : This test is completed and we have a result.
>> >AC: This test is almost completed but we could not complete 
>> >    this test because of some reasons.
>> >NR: This test has not yet carried out.
>> >
>> >c) degree of implementation:
>> >PI: This function is partially implemented in this user agent.
>> >NI: This function is not implemented in this user agent.
>> >
>> >My question is it seems "Implemented" is lacked in the third
>> category.
>> >Or "Completed" means "Implemented"?
>> >
>> >
>> >I would appreciate it much if you could respond to me at your
>> earliest
>> >convenience.
>> >
>> >
>> >Sincerely Yours,
>> >--
>> >Takayuki Watanabe            <nabe@lab.twcu.ac.jp>
>> >Dept. Communication, Tokyo Woman's Christian University
>> 
>> 
>> Jon Gunderson, Ph.D., ATP
>> Director of IT Accessibility Services
>> Campus Information Technologies and Educational Services
(CITES)
>> and 
>> Coordinator of Assistive Communication and Information
Technology
>> Disability Resources and Education Services (DRES)
>> 
>> Voice: (217) 244-5870
>> Fax: (217) 333-0248
>> 
>> E-mail: jongund@uiuc.edu
>> 
>> WWW: http://cita.rehab.uiuc.edu/

>> WWW: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jongund/www/

>> 
>
>--
>Takayuki Watanabe            <nabe@lab.twcu.ac.jp>
>Dept. Communication, Tokyo Woman's Christian University
>
>


Jon Gunderson, Ph.D., ATP
Director of IT Accessibility Services
Campus Information Technologies and Educational Services (CITES)
and 
Coordinator of Assistive Communication and Information Technology
Disability Resources and Education Services (DRES)

Voice: (217) 244-5870
Fax: (217) 333-0248

E-mail: jongund@uiuc.edu

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