- From: Ian B. Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
- Date: 10 Mar 2003 15:36:56 -0500
- To: Aaron Leventhal <aaronl@netscape.com>
- Cc: w3c-wai-ua@w3.org
On Mon, 2003-03-10 at 12:32, Aaron Leventhal wrote:
> What is the UAAG's position regarding the showing of alt text as tooltips?
Hi Aaron,
To help keep this discussion focussed, I'd like to clarify:
a) Are you asking very generally "Are tooltips ok, whatever their
source in the document?" Or, "Is it ok to pop up a small window
to present information to the user on hover?"
b) Are you asking "In HTML (or some other format), what are legitimate
sources of text that a user agent could consider for a tooltip?"
And in particular, "How do I deal with the presence/absence of alt
and title?"
If the answer is (a), then I hope my points that follow will contribute
to this discussion; they are not an official UAWG position. If the
answer is (b), then I think that we will need some help from XAG
as well.
About (a):
1) The text that you are talking (alt) about is "conditional content"
in UAAG 1.0 terms.
2) Checkpoint 2.3 requires that all conditional content be
available to the user. A tooltip (i.e., popup window) would satisfy
the requirement (see 2a in particular) of making conditional content
available to the user.
3) Checkpoint 1.1 requires that the user be able to operate the user
agent entirely through the keyboard. If the ONLY way to get at
tooltip text is "onMouseOver" then the user agent has not met 1.1
for providing access to alt.
4) In UAAG 1.0 terms, a tooltip window is a viewport since the user
agent renders content through it. Checkpoint 5.3 applies: allow
configuration so that the tooltip only opens on explicit user
request. This means: allow config for no automatic tooltip popups
and allow the user to get at that information "manually," e.g., by
querying the element that has alt specified.
5) Checkpoint 6.6 applies as well: provide programmatic notification of
changes to content, states and values of content, etc. This means
that ATs should have access to the change of state (i.e., the pop
up event). ATs also have access to the text content through other
APIs.
Could you summarize the various positions of the flame war?
Thanks Aaron,
_ Ian
> Or, if there is no official position. What do individual members think?
> I'd like to see a civilized discussion, and if possible get an official
> position on it from W3C. It would be great for Mozilla if the W3C would
> say somewhere specifically "yes" or "no" to this. We have too many flame
> wars back and forth about it in bugzilla. I understand that the specs
> can be read to support either position, but I'd rather get something
> precise from W3C that will put an end to the flamewar.
>
> http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25537
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