- From: Ian B. Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 15:32:18 -0400
- To: w3c-wai-ua@w3.org
UAWG teleconference, 11 Jul 2002
Agenda announcement:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002JulSep/0008
Participants: Jon Gunderson (Chair), Ian Jacobs (Scribe),
Harvey Bingham, Tim Lacy, Matt May, David Poehlman
Absent: Jim Allan, Rich Schwerdtfeger
Regrets: Marisa Demeglio, Jill Thomas, Lee Bateman,
Aaron Leventhal
Absent: Eric Hansen
Previous meeting: 20 June 2002
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002AprJun/0215
Next meeting: 25 July, 2pm ET
Reference document 8 July 2002 Working Draft
http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/WD-UAAG10-20020708/
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Discussion
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1. Comments on 8 July UAAG working draft
http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/WD-UAAG10-20020708/
HB: The normative and exclusions section confuses me, since both
are in same section.
IJ: Please indicate which ones to clarify.
HB: Any attempt to integrate the coordinated glossary?
IJ: No. We should finish our document first.
TL: I've looked at the document. Agree with HB that some
inclusions/exclusions needs some clarification.
JG: Please send comments to the list.
IJ: Some grouping is helpful. Separation of editorial comments
from substantial is a big help.
JG: Tim, have you looked at Guideline 6? Note that 6.4 is much less
precise than 6.1-6.3. Developers may have questions about what /how
much information must be required to satisfy this checkpoint.
TL: some details in techs document would help.
Action TL: Send to the UAWG a pointer to text about the
functionalities available through MSAA for access to rendering
information (for techniques for 6.4).
JG: Or even other products that support access to rendering
information.
TL: Windows does by itself.
Action DP: Contact Loretta for information about how Adobe implements
MSAA to get or provide information about rendered information in
Acrobat Reader (for example).
Action IJ: Add GECKO-API as reference in 6.4 as well as 6.2.
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On checkpoint 10.1
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HB: Does query technique suffice?
IJ: Is query sufficient? Or is rendering nearby required?
DP: I think query is good.
Resolved:
1. Clarify 10.1 to read "For graphical user agents that render
tables, for each table cell, allow the user to view
associated header information."
2. Sufficient techniques:
a) Query the table cell.
b) Render the table cell and associated header information
so they are both visible in the same viewport.
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On checkpoint 4.1
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IJ: What about new wording?
1. Allow global configuration of the scale of visually rendered
text. Preserve text size differences when the user changes the
scale.
IJ: Suggest: "Text rendered at different sizes should scale
proportionally."
HB: What about rounding errors?
Action IJ:
1. Change second sentence in bullet one to
"Text rendered at different sizes should scale proportionally."
2. Clarify that rounding may occur and is appearing.
3. Clarify that 4.1-4.3 are for content only by adding "content"
to provision one.
Action IJ: Review whether to add word "content" in remaining
checkpoints where content only is meant.
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On checkpoint 4.6
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Action IJ:
- In second sufficient technique, delete "so that the user may
position them independently."
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On checkpoint 6.2
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Action IJ:
- Add a statement to 6.2 in normative exclusion that exporting
out of process may be useful.
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On checkpoint 4.14
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IJ: Clarification.
MM: Opera allows selection of author alternative style sheets,
as does Mozilla 1 and 1.1alpha.
Resolved:
- Revised text is ok.
Action IJ:
- Indicate in Note that allowing the user to select more than
one style sheet may be a useful way to implement other requirements
of this document. Also, if the user agent offers several
default style sheets, the user agent can also use these to
satisfy some requirements (e.g., available on the Web; this would
allow user agents to improve accessiblity of deployed user agents).
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Last call preparation
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IJ: Please have comments about UAAG 1.0 draft by 24 July.
Can commit to 24 July: HB, TL, DP.
JG: People still commenting on the document, but we
are close to last call. Next steps:
- It would improve the quality of last call comments to
update the implementation report. IJ, MM, JG plan to
meet in early August.
- Last call expectation: Notification to interested parties
about changes we've made.
JG: I may organize a meeting on test suites on 18 July
(DP, MM interested).
IJ: Test suite WG meets at that time.
JG: Maybe a different time then.
Action JG: Contact Lofton Henderson to schedule
meeting to look at Colin's test suite progress.
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Proposed last call schedule
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24 Jul: UAWG comments due.
25 Jul: Next UAWG teleconference.
2 Aug: IJ, MM, JG to meet in Chicago to talk about impl report.
9 Aug: Provisional last call start date.
13 Sep: End of last call (even if we start between 9 and 16 August).
Early October: Proposed Recommendation.
Mid November: Recommendation.
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Draft test suites
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JG: Colin Koteles has generated 88 HTML tests. See draft
for checkpoint 1.1:
http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/TS/uaag-html401-testsuite
JG: Hoping to use XSLT to link tests together. We are still refining
our DTDs, and want to automate generation of documents.
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Open Action Items
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1. JG: Write up user scenarios for why non-text-based highlighting
important for users; notably which users.
Source:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002AprJun/0027
See for additional questions:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002AprJun/0029
2. JG: Add implementation of Checkpoint 3.1 from Konqueror
Source:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002AprJun/0177
3. JG: Add user style sheets for outline view requirements in
Konqueror, Opera, Amaya and IE to implementation report for
Checkpoint 10.5
Outline view
Source:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002AprJun/0177
4. JG: Acrobat 5.0 generates a navigation view, so implementation of
Checkpoint 10.5
Source:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002AprJun/0177
5. JG: Add user style sheets as an implementation of configuring
outline view, checkpoint 9.10
Source:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002AprJun/0177
6. JG: Add implementation of 5.3 Manual viewport open with Mozilla,
Konqueror and Snufin
Source:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002AprJun/0177
7. JG: Add to implementation report of Checkpoint 4.4:
1. PlexTalk by Plextor (audio, http://www.plextalk.org/)
2. Victor Reader by VisuAide (audio,
http://www.visuaide.com/dtbsol)
3. Victor Soft reader by VisuAide (audio,
http://www.visuaide.com/dtbsol)
4. LpPlayer by Labyrinten (audio,
http://www.labyrinten.se/english/index)
5. eNounce (audio and video, http://www.enounce.com/)
Source:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2002AprJun/0177
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