- From: Jim Allan <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>
- Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:15:07 -0500
- To: "gregory j. rosmaita" <oedipus@hicom.net>, w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
- Cc: "\"Lois Wakeman\"" <lois@lois.co.uk>, w3c-wai-ua@w3.org
Tool Tips-- Gregory said-<snip> aside from Opera, most GUI browsers display the ALT text in a miniscule font, over the presentation of which the user has very little to no control. </snip> In Windows, the attributes of the ALT text is controlled by the operating system display parameters for "tool tips" (Control Panel | Display | Appearance | Item | Tooltip). The user has controls of font size, background color, and font weight (plus others in combination with other system settings). I have change my tool tips to make them easier to read since reaching the delicate age where I require bifocals. Jim Allan, Webmaster & Statewide Technical Support Specialist Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired 1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756 voice 512.206.9315 fax: 512.206.9264 http://www.tsbvi.edu/ "Be BOLD and mighty forces will come to your aid." Basil King -----Original Message----- From: w3c-wai-ua-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ua-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of gregory j. rosmaita Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 3:21 AM To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org Cc: "Lois Wakeman"; w3c-wai-ua@w3.org Subject: Re: Accessibility of ALT texts aloha, lois! an equally important question is, what style rules are inherited by the ALT text when it is rendered inline? it isn't sufficient merely to force the browser to display all of the ALT text defined for an IMG, regardless of whatever height and width has been defined for the unrendered image--the ALT text has to be usable, and it is my understanding (based upon inquiries made of sighted users, and work with low vision users) that, aside from Opera, most GUI browsers display the ALT text in a miniscule font, over the presentation of which the user has very little to no control... but, what style rules should ALT text inherit? should they simply inherit whatever styles have been defined for the structural element in which they are contained (such as P, DIV, etc.), or should they be granted a class of their own, so that authors can stylistically convey to users (who have support for image placeholders turned off, or for whom such placeholders are meaningless) that what you are seeing/hearing/feeling is a textual equivalent for an object that hasn't been rendered? obviously, the superior solution is to use the OBJECT instead of the IMG tag, as the OBJECT, by virtue of being a container, provides a means of providing rich, stylable alternative/conditional content, but for backwards compatability's sake, a lot of designers/hosts are loathe to use the OBJECT element to reference images... my primary concern about CSS and images, however, is the inability to provide alternatives for images which are referenced via a stylesheet (other than using a number of hacks, such as generated pseudo-elemental text, which is problematic, as content generated via the stylesheet won't be carried through the DOM)... for example, while i can reference a background image using a stylesheet, as i did for my QA position paper [1], using the following bit of CSS: background-position: top left; background-attachment: fixed; background-repeat: no-repeat; background-image: url(http://www.w3.org/QA/images/qabg.png); there isn't any means for me to associate an alternative equivalent for it--such as: background-image: url(http://www.w3.org/QA/images/qabg.png), alt("Quality Assurance & Conformance"); another matter for consideration are images defined through stylesheets (using the list-style-image syntax) for use as list item markers--while the browser should (at least logically) default to its native list calculation algorithms/rendering rules (i.e. bullets, asterisks, numeric sequences) if image rendering is turned off, not all browsers do so (just as not all browsers support CSS2's nested list counters and scope rules)... this should, perhaps, be more explicitly spelt out in CSS3, although it might already be--i couldn't locate a link to CSS3 Module 14 "Generated Content/Markers" cited as a dependency in the CSS3 Selectors Module's 26 January 2001 draft... moreover, a means of providing a fallback if image rendering is turned off (a.k.a. a cascade) is also necessary--syntax that allows for the following cascade order if image rendering is turned off, (a) use client-side style rules for lists; (b) generate list markers according to the following (author-supplied) rules or (c) default to the UA's default stylesheet for the list type for which the list-style-image has been defined... just my 2 cents, gregory. References: [1] http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/temp/w3c/qa/gjr_qa_pp.html ------------------------------------------------------------------- Chaos is a name for any order that produces confusion in our minds. -- George Santayana ------------------------------------------------------------------- Gregory J. Rosmaita, oedipus@hicom.net http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/index.html -------------------------------------------------------------------
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