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Re: Rendered content vs source content.

From: Jon Gunderson <jongund@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:03:33 -0600
Message-Id: <4.1.20000225095104.00a3aa60@staff.uiuc.edu>
To: "Hans Riesebos" <HRiesebos@alva-bv.nl>, <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
The CSS and StyleSheet modules in DOM level 2 allow people to access and
manipulate the style sheets associated with HTML (both linked and inline)
and XML (apparently only allows linked styles).  The actual attributes used
to render a particular node I believe are part of the attributes collection
available in DOM Core and HTML modules.  DOM core and HTML are level 1 so I
think this satisfies your concerns.  So I think putting the CSS and
Stylesheet module implementation at priority 3 is OK in relation to issue
of knowing what is actually being rendered.


At 02:04 PM 2/25/00 +0100, Hans Riesebos wrote:
>Rendered content vs source content.
>I have been doing some thinking and in in my humble opinion I find the 
>rendered content of real importance: Here are some reasons.
>I believe MSAA gives you rendered content.
>If the AT relies (sort of piggybags) on a UA one can assume the AT wants to 
>make this UA accessible. Therefore the AT wants to be aware of the 
>closed-loop interaction between User and UA of action and feedback. (What is 
>the current point of regard, what is selected). To this purpose the AT needs 
>to know about rendered content. 
>The AT might want to control some of the rendering in order to get the 
>information the UA-AT user wants. This could be done by controlling the UA 
>and also by controlling style sheets. 
>Without access to stylesheets I don't believe the AT can synchronise 
>different output modalities. (I'm not sure of all the possibilities).
>As said in the teleconference, the AT historically uses an Off Screen Model 
>(OSM). The making of an OSM is difficult because it involves reverse 
>engineering the rendering proces. The value of the DOM for the AT is that it 
>does not need to reverse engineer rendering. However, if the AT has to work 
>with the pure structured content without any rendering taken place, the AT 
>needs to be able to render itself in order to obtain information on 
>visibility, position, etc.. This seems redundant, because the UA it works 
>with does the same rendering. 
>Now what the UAGL currently says is that new/future AT is much helped with 
>access to the DOM. I agree. But is seems unnatural for an AT to use a 
>graphical desktop browser to provide an aural-only rendering of 
>internet-content. It would seem natural for  an AT that wants graphical 
>stuff to use a graphical desktop browser. In this last situation the UA does 
>more service by providing rendered info to this AT. 
>- To me it seems that the rendered sturcture is of real interest to the AT. 
>- Access to stylesheets is priority one. 
>Hans Riesebos
>ALVA, The Netherlands

Jon Gunderson, Ph.D., ATP
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