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RE: Raw minutes from 19 January teleconf.

From: Denis Anson <danson@miseri.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 14:09:33 -0500
To: "Ian Jacobs" <ij@w3.org>, <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>

Was Charles even more regretful than I?


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Subject: Raw minutes from 19 January teleconf.

WAI UAGL Teleconference
19 January 1999


Jon Gunderson
Ian Jacobs
Gregory Rosmaita
Dick Brown
Kitch Barnicle
David Poehlman
Harvey Bingham
Rich Schwertdfeger

Charles McCathieNevile
Denis Anson
Charles McCathieNevile 

NEXT MEETING: 20 January 2000 @2pm ET

Agenda [1]

1) Review of action items

   1.IJ: Update document with resolutions for issue LC#162 


   2.IJ: Update document with resolutions for issue LC#166 


   3.IJ: Update document with resolutions for issue LC#175 


   4.IJ: Update document with resolutions for Issue LC#176 


   5.IJ: Repropose checkpoint 1.5 

   Not done.

   6.IJ: Add info related to searching for non-rendered information (or
searches using voice output user agents) to appendix 

   Need to verify.

   7.IJ: Adopt changes in wording for Checkpoint 1.1 

   Not done.

   8.JG: Find a host/date for next FTF meeting 
   See below.

   9.JG: Take issue of mobile devices/guidelines in next WAI CG


  10.CMN: Follow up on this with some learning disability people on
graphical configuration issue 

   No info.

  11.DA: Follow up with Alan Cantor on what is the critical component(s)
for graphical configuration (done by email during meeting) 

  12.DB: Send proposal for single key access wording for checkpoint

  13.DB: Ask IE Team about publication of review of IE 5 and Pri 1


  14.DB: Find out how developers find out which appropriate triggers to
         in Windows for using built-in accessibility 
         features (i.e. sound sentry, show sounds, ...)


  15.DP: Propose new Checkpoint 1.5 for access to system messages 


  16.GR: Send to the list techniques for how to use and control focus to
not have new windows cause problems for usability. In particular, how
will work with ATs. 

   Pending. Will ask RS at PF face-to-face.

  17.GR: Send screen shot of JFW link list to the list 


  18.GR: Remind DP of this action to proposed new text for checkpoint


  19.MK: Find out techniques for sending text search requests to servers
         streamed text. 

  No info.

  20.MR: Review techniques for topic 3.1 (Multi-media) 
  21.MR: Review techniques for Guideline 4 (Multi-media) 
  22.MR: Run a multimedia player through the guidelines for January. 
  All pending.

  23.MQ: Ask Mark about meaning of comment raised in Issue #167 
  24.MQ: Ask Mark Hakkinen about telephone browsers and the

  No info.

  25.WC: Take form submission to GL WG to discuss issues related to
         inadvertent submission. 


2) Announcements 

     Regular UA telecon scheduled 20 January 2000 at 2:00 pm to 3:30 pm
     Eastern Standard Time, USA 

3) Discussion 

   1.Candidate Recommendation planning update 

   IJ: Once we get the issues resolved (tomorrow),
       the WG needs to say "We want to go to CR".

     - Aim for 24th for CR.
     - Aim to resolve all issues (and document objections)
       by tomorrow.
     - Update materials for Friday.

   Action DB: Schedule time with IE team for next tuesday when
       CMN will be in Seattle to review the CR if ready.

   KB: What if all developers say "We don't expect to satisfy
       these 5 or they shouldn't be on the list?"

   IJ: Valuable information that should be considered by the WG.

   2.Face to face planning update 

     JG: We have an invitation from RFBD (Princeton, NJ). 
         PWWorks may be "co-host".

     No objections to general location (east coast).

   3.Updated working draft of the guidelines and techniques published on

       - new short names
       - some new text in there awaiting WG approval.

  13.WD#186: Proposed removal of Note in 2.1

     HB: I think "concurrent" is better than "simultaneous".

     Resolved: Approved.

     Action IJ: Make change for 2.1 note.

  14.WD#187: Proposed change in wording to 1.6 (profiles) 
     IJ: Note the change - no longer required only on systems
         with multiple users.

     HB: Reword to be "through a profile".

     Resolved: Approved.

     Action IJ: Make change with clarification.

  16.WD#189: Proposed change to checkpoint 2.3 (missing alt info) 

     KB: Required by "whom"?
     IJ: The markup language definition, not WCAG.

     Resolved: Approved.
     Action IJ: Make change wtih clarification.

   4.WD#185: clarification of "single key" access 

     Refer to DB's proposal:

     DB: Sticky keys on means that you accomplish something with
         single keys in sequence.

     JB: I think we want to highlight that you want really single
         key, direct access (e.g., "F4" and that's it). I think
         people want to highlight the ability to do this, but
         not make it an absolute requirement.

     DB: I don't think you'll get developers to add single-key
         when sticky keys and sequences exist.

     DP: I think the objective is to perform a single action with
         a single key.

     KB: In IE, you can get to most of the functions, but can be
         very inefficient for some users. The goal (according to
         Bryan Campbell) is to let users configure a small number
         of single key bindings for important actions. Sequences
         ok for the rest.

     DB: I think that this is less important than other accessibility
         features. I can, with sticky keys today, do some things
         faster than some users with a mouse.

     JG: Refer to Alan Cantor's email about keyboard efficiency
         as well.

        We don't expect all functionalities to be bound to single
        keys at the same time.

     IJ: Also, I think there are some contexts where you are
         inherently doing N things (e.g., the print control panel).
         I only mean "things that only require one step".

     DP: Save input configurations in the user's profile.

     JG: Note that this is possible in Word. We're asking for the
         functionality in user agents.

     GR: Note that Opera is a user agent that recognizes different
         modes, so that in form edit mode, single key strokes aren't
         available to the user.

     IJ: noted - there may be modes in which some single keys
         are not available (e.g., "p" should not be available
         in editing mode).

        - Split 10.3 into two. Make single-key a special case of old

     Action Ian: Propose split to list. Priority 2 for new checkpoint.
                 Incorporate these pieces:
                    - Not all at once
                    - Some keys not available at certain times.
                    - Intended for one-step operations.

   5.LC#142: Checkpoint 1.5 (output device-independence) needs

     Refer to proposal from DP:

     DP: Goal of not having my input be sent to the wrong window.
     GR: I would like to talk to RS face-to-face about some of the
         focus issues.
     JG: I have problems with "all output device APIs". Which ones?
         The printer?

     JG: I think the goal is that messages are rendered through
         system controls.

     IJ: I think the actual requirement is device-independent access
         to information. System controls are the best way to do this
         since ATs can monitor them.

     IJ: I think 1.5 may be covered by 5.2, 9.1, and 5.6. However,
         1.5 is P1.
     JG: Problem of support for beeps: is morse code necessary?
     DP: Refer to 9 December minutes as well.


       - Modify 9.1 to include controls
       - Add checkpoint to G4 to includes messages. In techniques
         talk about different priorities of messages.
       - Modify 1.5 about mode-independence of messages.
         (Don't just use sound or animations).

    Action IJ: Propose changes to the list.

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