- From: Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 13:46:12 -0500
- To: w3c-wai-ua@w3.org
Hello,
These raw minutes are the concatenation of minutes from Jim
Allan and Ian Jacobs.
- Ian
WAI UAGL Teleconference
15 December 1999
Dick Brown-db
Jim Allan-ja
Jon Gunderson-jg
Micki Quenzer-mq
Rich Swerdfegger-rf
/* late */
Ian Jacobs-ij
Harvey Bingham-HB
Gregory Rosmaita-GR
Agenda [1]
[1]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0695.html
NOTE: Jon will schedule extra teleconference scheduled for 5 January
at 12pm ET
NOTE: Starting 6 January, teleconf times at 2:30 pm ET.
/* Jim Allan scribe */
Review Open Action Items
1.IJ: Review techniques for topic 3.2
2.IJ: Add clarifying Note to rationale that UAs can turn off control
of
content even if it passes content off for rendering.
3.IJ: Send proposal to list related to checkpoint for incremental
positioning control in multi-media
4.IJ: Draft a statement for time of publication, there is no
authoritative
body that validates claims of conformance
5.IJ: Refer to ATAG definition of "applicability" and propose to
list.
6.IJ: In glossary, add WHO definition of impairment, disability, and
add
functional limitation
7.IJ: Repropose simpler Checkpoint for 1.1
8.IJ: Repropose the delivery mechanism of conformance statement to
allow
documentation as an option
9.IJ: Add access to the "class" attribute of an element to techniques
document
10.IJ: Propose new checkpoint by merging 7.3 and 7.7 to the list
11.IJ: Propose a technique for using XSL to transform content
12.JG: Review techniques for Guideline 8.3 to 8.9
13.JG/IJ: Publish F2F agenda on 8 December - done
14.JG: Send request for change in telecon time to W3C admin -done
15.JG: Request UA/GL/UA join meeting related to terminology related to
multi-media
16.JG: Resend the conformance issue validation to the WAI CG -done
17.JG: Take WHO definitions of disability, impairment and functional
to
the
CG for consideration in WAI definitions - done
18.DA: Propose rational to explain why deceleration of multi-media is
important for users with impairments.
19.DB: Review techniques for Guideline 5 - his are in, waiting on IE
Team-pending
20.DB: Ask IE Team about publication of review of IE 5 and Pri 1
checkpoints. -pending
21.DB: Find out how developers find out which appropriate triggers to
use
in
Windows for using built-in accessibility features (i.e. sound sentry,
show sounds, ...). -pending
22.DP: Propose new Checkpoint 1.5 for access to system messages
23.DP: Send to the list techniques for how to use and control focus to
not
have new windows cause problems for usability. In particular, how this
will work with ATs.
24.EH: Refine proposal on the meaning of "synchornized alternatives"
to
the
list.
25.JA: Propose a revised Checkpopint 3.9 and 3.10 to the list. -done
26.GR: Take WHO definitions of disability, impairment and functional
to
the
ATAG and GL WGs for consideration in their definitions
27.GR: Send to the list techniques for how to use and control focus to
not
have new windows cause problems for usability. In particular, how this
will work with ATs.
28.GR: Write a technique on how to create accessible installation
29.KB: Update impact matrix based on 5 November draft. Pending
30.MR: Review techniques for topic 3.1 (Multi-media)
31.MR: Review techniques for Guideline 4 (Multi-media)
32.MK: Write some comments on synchronization in multi-media to the
list
33.MQ: Ask Mark about meaning of comment raised in Issue #167 -pending
34.WC: Take form submission to GL WG to discuss issues related to
inadvertent
submission.
Announcements
1.Web Content is rechartering - announced - 2 stage process, 1.1
version,
then work on major revision
2.New telecon day and time for working group start on 6 January 2000
Thursdays, 2-3:30pm (EST, USA), on Longfellow Bridge
(+1-617-252-1038)
Discussion
1.Candidate Recommendation Stage
Are we obligated?
Showing implementations to director and in techniques document?
jg: review-new stage of recommendation. Proposed Rec-Candidate
(implementation period-demonstrate that guidelines are
implementable)-Full
Rec. Our obligation-that our technical guidelines are usable by vendors,
show an example of each checkpoint in a browser or demonstration
project.
Where no clear implementation get a vendor to make an example.
rs:will it push out timeline?
jg: should not puch out timeline. rs would be a good resource for DOM
demonstration, not asking for commitment. need examples of guideline
5....other comments
rs: want to become more involved in DOM working group
jg: look through techniques, and fill in blanks
mq: send information to reviewers about new process
jg: reviews might not know about new process
mq: feedback about status of document
LC#137: Use of terms for disabilities, impairment -- add in agenda
jg: Denis Anson brought WHO def to f2f. jg brought to coordination
group...CG those defs are medical model, contemporary-more positive,
inclusive. Many disability groups do not like WHO def. CG recommends
using
standing def. in the current document. Comments....
mq: so we don't have to change anything. its all personal preference
jg: good for keeping in harmony with other documents, and Judy Brewer
would
balk. Issue closed. no decension in group.
LC#138: "Synchronized equivalent" v. "Continuous Equivalent"/ Proposed
split of 2.5 add in agenda
jg: coordinate with AU - not addressed in their document. should not
have
dependencies.
may have a problem with web content. WCGL is not chartered hard to get
together. send proposal to AU and GL with history and proposal. Action
item
for Madelaine Rothberg, Marjia, Eric Hanson.
**Action JG contact Madelaine Rothberg, Marjia, Eric Hanson, Ian .send
proposal to AU and GL with history and proposal.
2.LC#133: Priority of 10.1 compared to 10.3
http://cmos-eng.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear.html#133
rs: on 10-1 provide input to api
jg: Ian has action on API issue. lets focus on priority
jg: allowing user to change input bindings
mq: changing 10-1 priority
jg: priority ok
rs: priority ok
db: priorty ok
** resolved leave priorites as is
3.LC#146: Review priorities of 4.16, 5.2, 8.3, 8.5, 10.3, 10.6
http://cmos-eng.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear.html#146
review 4.16
ja: how does this apply to gui browsers
jg: poll group all ok with P2
resolved: 4.16 P2
resolved 5.2 revised 2 times
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4.LC#155: Propose change of priorities for checkpoints 5.3 (r/w
access)
and
10.3 (single key)
http://cmos-eng.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear.html#155
5.LC#156: Propose change in priority of 5.6 (P1 -> P2)
http://cmos-eng.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear.html#156
6.LC#158: Propose priority change (1 to 2) for checkpoint 4.1
(control of
font family)
http://cmos-eng.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear.html#158
7.LC#159: Propose raise priority of 4.13 to Priority 1
http://cmos-eng.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear.html#159
8.LC#161: Raise priority of 8.8 to P2 (highlighting and identifying
selection/focus)
http://cmos-eng.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear.html#161
9.LC#162: Raise priority of 8.9 (consistency in configs) to P2.
http://cmos-eng.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear.html#162
10.LC#166: Review priority of 10.5 (default configs that interfere
with OS
conventions)
http://cmos-eng.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear.html#166
11.LC#175: Proposed raise (to P1) of checkpoint 4.18
http://cmos-eng.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear.html#175
12.LC#176: Proposed change in priority (P3 to P2) for checkpoint 8.7
(link
information
http://cmos-eng.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear.html#176
13.Other issues on the issues list
http://cmos-eng.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear.html
/* Ian becomes the scribe */
For checkpoint 8.3:
* Some agreement that the outline view is a technique for
navigation.
Resolved:
a) 8.5 in 6 December draft now Priority 3.
b) Clarify that the view need not be active.
Clarify that this is a technique for 7.7
For checkpoint 8.3 in 6 December draft:
RS: A lot of non-disabled users don't have access to this
information.
IJ: Is it a lot extra effort to follow the link and then hit
back?
RS, DB: This is a usability issue.
JG: What are the implications to the UAs? Exposing the history
list to the AT?
MQ: I find visited links to be useless. The information I get
sometimes is unreliable.
DB: I don't if the history list is available programmatically. I
suspect
it is.
RS: I think so too.
Resolved: Priority 3
For checkpoint 10.3 in 6 December draft:
Resolved: Priority 2 (same)
For checkpoint 10.6 in 6 December draft:
DB: Do OS profiles count?
IJ: Yes.
RS: What about hand-held devices?
Resolved: Leave as P2 but clarify in the checkpoint
text that this is for operating systems
where it's possible to identify oneself
as a specific user.
4.LC#155: Propose change of priorities for checkpoints 5.3 (r/w
access) and 10.3 (single key)
http://cmos-eng.rehab.uiuc.edu/ua-issues/issues-linear.html#155
For 5.3, resolved per ftf decisions.
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For 10.3
IJ: Is it P1 to be able to trigger some functionalities
(non-configurable) with a single key?
RS: Does this include closing the application?
JG: That's the problem, you don't know what people want.
RS: Single key could be hit multiple times. But this gets messy.
GR: Proposed useful baseline for deciding what's necessary for
single-key access: there are many single actions that
you find on a menu bar. Perhaps start by saying "For all
single actions enabled by the UI".
IJ: In Word, for example, you can put buttons for each
functionality on the tool bar.
RS: You probably want to exclude author-defined access keys.
GR: There's a difference between serial single-key strokes
and modifier keys (two at once).
JG: Doesn't seem to me to be impossible to active functionalities
without single key.
IJ: What does "single key" mean:
a) Not two keys at once?
b) Single action?
RS: Real killer is requiring the user to hit several keys
simultaneously.
Resolved:
* Move first two sentences from 1.4 to note for 10.7
* Add a note about single key access to 10.7
* Add a cross-reference from 1.4 to 10.7
Action Ian: Write Bryan Campbell/Håkon Lie for clarification
and David Clark, Mark Novak (cc the list).
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