- From: Denis Anson <danson@miseri.edu>
- Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 11:51:44 -0500
- To: "Leonard R. Kasday" <kasday@ACM.org>, "Ian Jacobs" <ij@w3.org>
- Cc: <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
Len, My take is that the conformance ratings are for general purpose browsers, which must accommodate all users. If you make a browser that is focused on the needs of a single group, and is not intended to be accessible for all users, then the conformance ratings simply don't apply. On another list, I responded to a message from a web designer whose client wanted the pages to be scanned images of paper pages, as GIF files. The client also wanted the page to have a statement that it was "accessible." Well, you can't have both. You can't meet the needs of one group, and exclude the needs of another group, and say that you have a completely accessible browser. It just doesn't work that way. Conformance means that you have done all that is necessary to make access "possible," (A), "Easy," (AA) and "convenient" (AAA) for all users regardless of disability. Denis Anson, MS, OTR Assistant Professor College Misericordia 301 Lake St. Dallas, PA 18612 Member since 1989: RESNA: An International Association of Assistive Techology Professionals Website: http://www.resna.org RESNA ANNUAL CONFERENCE -- "RESNA 2000" ORLANDO, FL, JUNE 28 -- July 2, 2000 -----Original Message----- From: w3c-wai-ua-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ua-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Leonard R. Kasday Sent: Saturday, December 04, 1999 11:01 AM To: Denis Anson; Ian Jacobs Cc: w3c-wai-ua@w3.org Subject: RE: comments on guidelines Denis, You're right that speech wouldn't be enough for a person who was blind and deaf, and that the need for Braille is often overlooked. Still, what if there was a hypothetical browser that did voice output and had drivers for the popular softbraille displays. Are we going to deny that product even an A rating? Or, more to the point, what if a company has a little pocket sized voice browser, with a tiny display, that would be fine for the majority of blind surfers... provided some care was taken to avoid any remaining dependence on the visual display. But suppose the product had no external interface for any device, let alone a standard API. If we tell that company right up front "there's no way this can be even be a level A user agent" and cause them to give up going the few extra steps that would make it a low cost, convenient device for blind users who can use speech? As I look at the guidelines I've got to admit that as it reads you've got to accommodate all disabilities to get a level A. But that I think is a problem with the conformance level definition. This could be addressed with "qualified" conformance levels, where you qualify what disabilities it applies to. So this generates a new issue: a suggestion of "qualified" or "limited" conformance levels, e.g. A/visual that satisfies all priority 1 that impact people who are blind A/hearing ...etc. By the way, I do not support such ratings for web content accessibility guildelines. Web pages should be accessible to all people, period. Also, I am only proposing this for UA's like specialized devices, where full API use and interfacing may be a real burden. I am not supporting it for e.g. general PC programs. General programs should also be accessible to all people. However, user equipment that satisfies a particular disability can serve a practical need and I wouldn't want to discourage such equipment from being designed and being able to boast some sort of conformance rating. Len At 08:41 AM 12/3/99 -0500, Denis Anson wrote: > > > > LRK: I think this is overly restrictive if the UA has accessibility > > built-in. For example, a browser with built in speech output of all text > > on the screen. In this case it is not absolutely necessary to give > > standard operating system access to the text, so I would suggest > > downgrading to Priority 2 or 3 (depending on how important it is to have > > Braille output). This is a real possibility for pocket sized wireless web > > acccess devices, for which speech output is more practical than a tiny > > screen, especially when driving. > >But in this case, the *standard* APIs for the system would be different >(or non-existent), wouldn't they? > >There is a tendency to assume that those who can't read the screen will >automatically be able to hear the screen. That simply isn't true. >Refreshable Braille may be the only access mode for a deaf-blind person. >The reason that the browser should expose the content through a standard API >is so that the user can use whatever access method is their standard, and >not have to limit themselves to the method that the author of the UA thought >was appropriate. >Denis Anson >College Misericordia >301 Lake St. >Dallas, PA 18612 > ------- Leonard R. Kasday, Ph.D. Institute on Disabilities/UAP, and Department of Electrical Engineering Temple University 423 Ritter Annex, Philadelphia, PA 19122 kasday@acm.org http://astro.temple.edu/~kasday (215) 204-2247 (voice) (800) 750-7428 (TTY)
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