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RE: techniques for author-defined UI controls

From: Al Gilman <asgilman@iamdigex.net>
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 14:36:12 -0600
Message-Id: <199911031937.OAA12519@smtp2.mail.iamworld.net>
To: Jon Gunderson <jongund@uiuc.edu>, "Denis Anson" <danson@miseri.edu>, "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <unagi69@concentric.net>
Cc: "User Agent Guidelines Emailing List" <w3c-wai-ua@w3.org>
At 01:20 PM 11/3/99 -0600, Jon Gunderson wrote:
>The HTML 4.0 does not provide much guidance in implementing the ACCESSKEY 
>At 11:42 AM 11/3/99 -0500, Denis Anson wrote:
>>As far as activating elements via AccessKey in a well-documented and
>>consistent manner, does this mean between agents, or within a single agent?

Within the same UA.  Not intended to mean that all UAs need to be the same
except as articulated in specific provisions of the UAGL, [one of which
might be that there needs to be a mode available which moves the focus to
the author-stipulated element but does not activate it.]

I believe that the actual meaning of the initial post with this language
was "implement all access keys consistently" as opposed to inconsistent
implementation such as where ALT-F is not implemented because it conflicts
with the File menu but ALT-V is implemented and hides the View menu.  There
are other guidelines that imply the consistent ACCESSKEY implementation
should in addition blend well with the implementation of other UA and OS
controls in effect in the user interface.


>>As I understand it, HTML 4.0 does not specify the behavior of AccessKey,
>>just the general concept of what it should do.
>>Denis Anson, MS, OTR
>>Assistant Professor
>>College Misericordia
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: w3c-wai-ua-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ua-request@w3.org]On Behalf
>>Of Gregory J. Rosmaita
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 5:35 PM
>>To: Al Gilman
>>Cc: User Agent Guidelines Emailing List
>>Subject: Re: techniques for author-defined UI controls
>>aloha, al!
>>as regards the 4 points i made, quote
>>but it is still the responsibility of the UA to (at least):
>>a) recognize ACCESSKEY
>>b) provide a well documented method for invoking ACCESSKEY
>>c) activate elements invoked via an ACCESSKEY in a well-documented and
>>consistent manner
>>d) provide a well-documented and consistent mechanism whereby conflicting
>>accelerator key combinations can either be passed through to the UA or
>>by the UA
>>you remarked,
>>Is this the bottom line?  If so, I agree.  I hope it didn't sound as though
>>don't agree...
>>yes, it is the bottom line, or at least, what i believe the bottom line to
>>to answer your questions, when i wrote:quote pass conflicting key
>>through to the UA unquote i meant a mechanism such as that employed by
>>readers which tells the application quote ignore next input unquote so that
>>a screen reader command blocks a system or application command from being
>>executed, one can invoke the pass through keystroke so that the system or
>>application, and not the screen reader, receives the keyboard command, or
>>versa, depending upon the AT being used and the situation...
>>you also asked,
>>Would it suffice to say "When accelerator keys collide, the UA shall provide
>>way for the user to activate either action"?
>>i'm not sure that that's much clearer...  this is the cascade issue
>>ad nauseam in my past posts -- the UA needs to know, upon activation of the
>>accelerator, to what it should apply the action bound to that keystroke --
>>itself? the document currently being rendered?  the operating system?
>>and in what order...  perhaps the fourth point could be worded thus:
>>Provide a well-documented and consistent mechanism whereby conflicting
>>accelerator key combinations can either be:passed directly to the user agent
>>for the activation of an application or OS control, or used to activate the
>>element for which they have been defined in the document currently being

>>which may necessitate a fifth point:
>>Provide a well-documented and consistent mechanism whereby conflicting
>>accelerator key combinations can remapped by the UA. It is essential that
>>user be notified of any remappings.
>>although that option could probably be appended to the fourth point,
>>that the 3 options were listed in a bulleted or ordered list...  in any
>>i'm sure that Ian can coalesce the idea far better than i...
>>He that lives on Hope, dies farting
>>      -- Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1763
>>Gregory J. Rosmaita <unagi69@concentric.net>
>>    WebMaster and Minister of Propaganda, VICUG NYC
>>         <http://www.hicom.net/~oedipus/vicug/index.html>
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