- From: Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:50:12 -0400
- To: w3c-wai-ua@w3.org
Chair: Jon Gunderson
Scribe: Ian Jacobs
Present:
Mark Novak
Harvey Bingham
Glen Gordon
Marja Koivunen
Charles McCathieNevile
Rich Schwardtfeger
Agenda:
[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999AprJun/0224.html
Summary of Outstanding Items:
Action CMN: Send URI on default keyboard bindings to list. Ian
will then include in Techniques document.
Action CMN: Send request to blinux users for info about orientation.
Action IJ: Send similar request to IG.
Action GG: Send ideas on dependent tool point of regard to list.
Action Editors:
a) Add checkpoint about turning on/off author-supplied
keyboard configs
Review of Action Items:
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- IJ: Write DJW about requirements T&S/WAI.
IJ: I called. He told me to talk to Thierry Michel, Team contact
for
micropayments at W3C.
- IJ: Propose a keyboard implementation model for the guidelines and
techniques document to highlight the importance of keyboard
support in user
agents
Done:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999AprJun/0208.html
- IJ: Propose a guideline on consistency of user interface features
(notably
keyboard) between versions of a user agent
Done:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999AprJun/0236.html
- IJ: Rewrite and propose checkpoints in guidelines 7 based on 16 June
discussion.
Done:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999AprJun/0207.html
IJ: Include checkpoint: Allow user to simulate event activator that an
element could respond to
IJ: Include checkpoint: Orient user to events an element can respond
to
JG: How does the user know what events the element can respond to?
GG: What's a meaningful action? Color changes aren't useful.
JG: Allow users to configure (e.g., only allow certain types
of events, or explicit association.)
IJ: Include checkpoint:: Add checkpoint: turn on/off access key at
priority
2 level
RS: Potential problems with access keys - interference with
sticky keys. (e.g., Alt-F). The idea is to turn off
author-supplied accesskeys.
IJ: Put under user-control of styles?
HB: List some default conventions for keyboard bindings in
techniques document.
RS: Some are cross-platform.
Action Charles: Send URI on default keyboard bindings to list.
Action Ian: Include in techniques document.
CMN: Write techniques for 7.2.2 and 7.2.6 CMN (Navigaton of the
document
tree) deferred until publication of Note by Rich and Mark.
Status: Will
wait for new draft (expanded to include additional checkpoints in
guideline
7 of 11 June WD).
Status Done.
JG: Techniques for 7.2.2. Status: In progress.
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Guideline 8: Orientation
IJ: A lot of these seem to be techniques to me. What should
be checkpoints?
GG: I can see that it's useful to know that
you've visited the same target. Not from a particular element.
Propose changing 8.16 to talk about target, not anchor.
IJ: Some ideas:
a) Small list of really important ones?
b) Abstract topics to subsume some of the big list?
GG: Include paragraphs describing scenarios, how the user
really navigates.
MK: I agree.
JG: "Make information available about different elements."
IJ: How do you verify this?
JG: This list is long and there are a lot of Priority 3 checkpoints.
Does this convey what we want? How do we help designers
understand the problems?
RS: Techniques currently empty on this topic right now.
IJ: Maybe nothing is critical, just helpful. Put the non-obvious ones
in the Techniques document.
GG: In my opinion, there's some stuff that you absolutely need:
- Focus
- Labels associated with controls (or nearby labels).
Everything else you can fumble through.
IJ: It sounds like the element-specific stuff is really less
important.
RS: Can you describe this in terms of contextual information (where
your point of regard is)?
RS: 8.4 could be technique.
IJ: Where do we gather information about what users find important?
MK: We can get this info, but then need
to abstract it.
CMN: We want to know whether these checkpoints are the right ones?
JG: Use the IG to get this information.
RS: This stuff is more "technique for the trade" than documented
feature.
GG: I don't have too many people to look for for good "stories".
RS: - Provide a visual mechanism for identifying where the user
is operating.
IJ: I propose:
a) Have a small laundry list.
b) Get information from someone who has done usability
studies for a variety of scenarios.
MK: Studies might not exist, but send to users.
CMN: Go to Blinux users list.
JG: Warning, this may be "expert" users only.
Action CMN: Send request for info about orientation and for the users
to suggest ideas.
Action IJ: Send similar request to IG.
JG: Send to David Poehlman as well.
GG: Make distinction between dependent and independent tools:
a) Independent tool must make info available.
b) Dependent tool maintains point of regard (e.g., inside the focus).
Action GG: Explain the dependent tool point of regard idea to the
list.
HB: I think the list of checkpoints is more useful as a laundry list
than as more abstract points.
JG: So sounds like consensus that we want this type of list, but
want to make sure we have the right list.
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Guideline 10: W3C technologies.
Consensus: 10.1 and 10.2 are good.
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Guideline 11: System conventions.
Re: 11.1.
RS: Should a given player use a particular interface?
GG: If you use standard windows controls you get this
automatically.
JG: We'll provide links to accessibility guidelines from Techniques.
CMN: Send list of references to UA list.
/* About testing desktop UAs and dependent UAs */
/* Should there be a checkpoint for testing? */
IJ: What does it mean to say that a piece of software works with
another?
IJ Proposes: Do like in WCAG 1.0: Appendix on "validation". Important
enough to be in guidelines, but not list of checkpoints.
Action items deferred until next week.
Refer to Charles email about conventions:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999AprJun/0246.html
CMN: Proposes that 11.1/2/3 apply to all classes of user agent.
Resolved: Apply to all user agents.
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