August 26th Telecon action items and minutes

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Jon Gunderson 
Kathy Hewitt
Kitch Barnicle
Scott Luebking 
Daniel Dardailler 
Denis Anson 
Harvey Bingham (11:30) 

Jim Allan
Markku T. Hakkinen 

Action Items and Conclusions
Jon Gunderson will send a corrective message on F2F dates
Kathy Hewitt will talk to Web TV team about human factors research in the Web
TV keyboard interface
Review current WD keyboard on keyboard issues and will report back to telecon
next week. Keyboard group includes Denis Anson, Scott Luebking, Kathy Hewitt
Next telecon will discuss table rendering and navigation.
Kitch Barnicle: Requested future telecon topic on frames access

JG: Announce the F2F after CTG conference
Announced the weekly telecons
DA: Navigating documents via the keyboard
Concerned about third
Document can be modeled as a tree, but most don't understand
Arrow keys as navigation keys
Meta keys used to define levels of document structure navigation
People would 
JG: Selection and focus definitions
Part of we is to define selection and focus
DD: I don't think there is a need to provide more detail
We all ready have keyboard
Documentation should describe the model
Plateform issues makes it difficult to specify certain keys
JG: Hieracherical navigation
DD: I think we should go beyond what we have
SL: One of the things to focus on characters and words may conflict with
readers. Users may want to use th
DA: How can you navigate eefficiently using screen reader
KB: We still have a blur between assistive technology and the browser
SL: Additional aspect with the arrrow keys when navigating nested list. They
want to go to next list or to a sub list
DA: The document tree structure is not what the user thinks about.
SL: How does the user make choices about sub lists and next list items
DA: Use a modified arrow option to go down a sub list
SL: Notion of level may be a difficult concept for some users
Changing levels is confusing
KB: Seems like we are getting to a implementation model
SL: One of the things I though use full, would be a system that would jump
block of text to block of text. The screen reader has difficulty reading from
block to block, but good at reading with in a block
DA: Who defines what a block
JG: There are block structure within HTML
DD: There are in-line and block level elements. 
DA: What I would like to see, what is a block. If you had a large document,
may want to move through in big chunks. Move at the the level of interest, but
all of the elements are visible.
SL: Would people create such large document
KB: We have a block level specification.
DA: When you say expose the entire document
If you display all the information there is context
SL: A header followed by text that there would be greater context.
KB: Concerned about consistancy
KH: We are working on IE 5.0 we will have similar model as the current IE 4.0.
I am looking a IE 6.0 keyboard model, using the Web TV model. Authors do not
use HTML correctly.
DA: Do we want to encourage correct design?
KH: We need to encourage correct design, but also look at what people are
actually doing
SL: One way to look at it to see how people can access what is there.
KH: When you are creating pages I could use <BR> to make blocks.
JG: What about an expanded a search function
SL: Can their be a more abstract concepts, people do not understand structural
We could caterize headers and elements in to units that people could
DA: It does sort of makes sense, but people don't know element names
SL: A more general concept
DA: Move a page of text
KH: The easiest way is use a page down to move a screen at a time, there
may be
a way to use page down to move an element at a time
SL: A sighted person may look a pages, but they are looking a paragraphs
KB: There are two issues: Speeding up moving through the pages and reading
functional units. When you jump, you lose context.
DA: Need access not to just links, but also content
SL: Some people just want to jump through the links, 
JG: Keyboard navigation
Block by block
Poor design
DD: We have keyboard access, moving beyond to implementation
SL: Keyboard access
DA: I was not intending a specific implementation
HB: Would like users to not need to learn a new navigation strategy for
each ne
SL: There may be no way around that....
HB: I would hate to navigate 
JG: We do not want to impose knowledge of HTML
DA: Able bodied persons would use keyboard commands
SL: Usability studies that keyboard is more efficient
DA: Agree, we are not working on just a disability issue. We want to be
User agent be able to interpret commands from 3rd party assitive technology
If the UA by passes standard operating system
JG: We look see if have language I/O APIs 
Web TV interface 
Move block by block
Search functions
DA: we should pursue
SL: As there any research on Web TV research
KH: There probably is, I can followup
SL: Count, moving by a count
HB: If a list of 17 items, skip or move to?
SL: I was thinking of relative
KB: A user adjustable jump value 
JG: Action items

Jon Gunderson, Ph.D., ATP
Coordinator of Assistive Communication and Information Technology
Division of Rehabilitation - Education Services
University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
1207 S. Oak Street
Champaign, IL 61820

Voice: 217-244-5870
Fax: 217-333-0248

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