Re: Animation conveying information

Hmm, I think your wide definition of "instructions" would be difficult
uphold.

The understanding text of 1.3.3 defines instructions as a "description"
that doesn't rely on shape/location. e.g click the round green button below
to continue.

A pulsing button with no instruction is certainly drawing attention to
itself, but I would argue that it has no instruction as to it's meaning per
se. For instance, if I saw a pulsing button, I wouldn't think, yep, that's
how to submit this form.



On Saturday, August 3, 2024, Ricky Onsman <ronsman@tpgi.com> wrote:
> Michael,
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> You’re assuming instructions can only be given in text. That’s not the
case here. The pulsing change of size itself is providing the instructions,
as Ms J says “to show that you must click a button next, the button pulses”.
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> The normative requirement to “not rely solely on sensory characteristics
of components such as shape, color, size, visual location, orientation, or
sound” is not limited to text.
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> Ricky
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> From: Michael Livesey <mike.j.livesey@gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2024 4:37 PM
> To: Ricky Onsman <ronsman@tpgi.com>
> Cc: Ms J <ms.jflz.woop@gmail.com>; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Animation conveying information
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> I think 1.3.3 applies to the instructions rather than the control itself?
So it would only fail 1.3.3 if there was an instruction that read - "Please
click the pulsing button to proceed".
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> If there were no instructions, or the instruction read - "Please click
the pulsing button labelled Next", it would pass.
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> On Sat, Aug 3, 2024 at 2:25 AM Ricky Onsman <ronsman@tpgi.com> wrote:
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> Ms J,
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> Since it’s relying solely on a change of size to convey information, I’d
suggest 1.3.3 Sensory Characteristics applies.
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> Cheers,
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> From: Ms J <ms.jflz.woop@gmail.com>
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> To: Steve Green <steve.green@testpartners.co.uk>; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Animation conveying information
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> Hi all
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> Thank you for replying. For clarity, I have already noted the
nonconformance for pause, stop, hide. However, I don't feel this is
sufficient alone (in response to the my direct email replies) because even
if they provide a mechanism so that it can be paused, say, that still
doesn't solve the problem that there is no alternative for screen reader
users.
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> Colour isn't used as a means of conveying any information so use of
colour doesn't come into it.
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> The animation is simply the button transitioning smoothly between a small
and big size so it prompts users to interact with it by 'pulsing' - I guess
something similar visually would be the way apple programmes you have open
on a mac jump up and down at you from the bottom ribbon to tell you you
have a notification.
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> So my question really is when I suggest it needs an alternative for
screen reader users, what SC would I align it with?
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> I could consider motion a state and therefore fail it for 1.3.1 and 4.1.2
as you suggest Steve. But then I have a follow up question. So I also have
other animated content on the website. So there is an image of a pointing
finger which moves to indicate what to click. This image has no text
alternative. Would you then fail it for 1.1.1 and 1.3.1 and 4.1.2? I feel
like that makes sense, but I believe 4.1.2 only applies to user interface
controls not images? So then I couldn't fail all animated content in the
same way for the same...  it leads to the problem where motion is a state
for a UI control, but not for an image?
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> Does the fact it's animated make it time based media? It's position is
dependent on time so it feels like time based media? Like video only
content? I'm thinking of 1.2.1, but appreciate it doesn't really feel like
it fits.
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> Subject: RE: Animation conveying information
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> It may be a non-conformance of SC 1.4.1: Use of Color if the change of
colour does not have a contrast ratio of at least 3:1.
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> Also, if the button changes from not pulsing to pulsing it would be
indicating a change of state, so the information would need to be conveyed
programmatically as per SC 1.3.1 and 4.1.2.
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> It may also be a non-conformance of SC 2.3.1: Three Flashes or Below
Threshold and/or SC 2.2.2: Pause, Stop, Hide.
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> From: Ms J <ms.jflz.woop@gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 2, 2024 5:11 PM
> To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> Subject: Animation conveying information
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> Hello
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> This is maybe niche and something I haven't seen before. I have a website
which uses animation to convey information. For example, to show that you
must click a button next, the button pulses. This is information conveyed
by movement. It isn't really time based media and it isn't really non-text
content... it is animation/movement used to convey instruction.
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> What SC would you align this with please? It is almost sensory
characteristics but the instruction is implicit in the animation....
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> It needs an alternative for people who can't perceive the animation,
would this be 1.1.1? Or 1.2.1?
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