Re: Animation conveying information

I think 1.3.3 applies to the instructions rather than the control itself?
So it would only fail 1.3.3 if there was an instruction that read - "Please
click the pulsing button to proceed".

If there were no instructions, or the instruction read - "Please click the
pulsing button labelled Next", it would pass.

On Sat, Aug 3, 2024 at 2:25 AM Ricky Onsman <ronsman@tpgi.com> wrote:

> Ms J,
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> Since it’s relying solely on a change of size to convey information, I’d
> suggest 1.3.3 Sensory Characteristics applies.
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> Ricky
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> *Sent:* Saturday, August 3, 2024 4:37 AM
> *To:* Steve Green <steve.green@testpartners.co.uk>; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: Animation conveying information
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> Hi all
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> Thank you for replying. For clarity, I have already noted the
> nonconformance for pause, stop, hide. However, I don't feel this is
> sufficient alone (in response to the my direct email replies) because even
> if they provide a mechanism so that it can be paused, say, that still
> doesn't solve the problem that there is no alternative for screen reader
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> Colour isn't used as a means of conveying any information so use of colour
> doesn't come into it.
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> The animation is simply the button transitioning smoothly between a small
> and big size so it prompts users to interact with it by 'pulsing' - I guess
> something similar visually would be the way apple programmes you have open
> on a mac jump up and down at you from the bottom ribbon to tell you you
> have a notification.
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> So my question really is when I suggest it needs an alternative for screen
> reader users, what SC would I align it with?
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> I could consider motion a state and therefore fail it for 1.3.1 and 4.1.2
> as you suggest Steve. But then I have a follow up question. So I also have
> other animated content on the website. So there is an image of a pointing
> finger which moves to indicate what to click. This image has no text
> alternative. Would you then fail it for 1.1.1 and 1.3.1 and 4.1.2? I feel
> like that makes sense, but I believe 4.1.2 only applies to user interface
> controls not images? So then I couldn't fail all animated content in the
> same way for the same...  it leads to the problem where motion is a state
> for a UI control, but not for an image?
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> Does the fact it's animated make it time based media? It's position is
> dependent on time so it feels like time based media? Like video only
> content? I'm thinking of 1.2.1, but appreciate it doesn't really feel like
> it fits.
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> Sarah
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> *From:* Steve Green <steve.green@testpartners.co.uk>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 2, 2024 7:08 PM
> *To:* Ms J <ms.jflz.woop@gmail.com>; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
> *Subject:* RE: Animation conveying information
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> It may be a non-conformance of SC 1.4.1: Use of Color if the change of
> colour does not have a contrast ratio of at least 3:1.
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> Also, if the button changes from not pulsing to pulsing it would be
> indicating a change of state, so the information would need to be conveyed
> programmatically as per SC 1.3.1 and 4.1.2.
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> It may also be a non-conformance of SC 2.3.1: Three Flashes or Below
> Threshold and/or SC 2.2.2: Pause, Stop, Hide.
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> Steve Green
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> *From:* Ms J <ms.jflz.woop@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, August 2, 2024 5:11 PM
> *To:* w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
> *Subject:* Animation conveying information
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> Hello
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> This is maybe niche and something I haven't seen before. I have a website
> which uses animation to convey information. For example, to show that you
> must click a button next, the button pulses. This is information conveyed
> by movement. It isn't really time based media and it isn't really non-text
> content... it is animation/movement used to convey instruction.
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> What SC would you align this with please? It is almost sensory
> characteristics but the instruction is implicit in the animation....
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> It needs an alternative for people who can't perceive the animation, would
> this be 1.1.1? Or 1.2.1?
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